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re: making lemonade from QB controversy
Posted on 10/15/10 at 3:28 am to dreaux
Posted on 10/15/10 at 3:28 am to dreaux
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the system is working great
When 2 QBs rotate each possession and 1 QB scores a TD on 4 out of 5 possessions and the other gets 2 field goals on however many possessions, that isn't the "system" that is working.
That is one QB riding the coattail of the other QB.
Posted on 10/15/10 at 5:13 am to shel311
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When 2 QBs rotate each possession and 1 QB scores a TD on 4 out of 5 possessions and the other gets 2 field goals on however many possessions, that isn't the "system" that is working.
exactly
good lord people are dumb
Posted on 10/15/10 at 6:18 am to TheDoc
It's strange. After this game, I didn't see any discussion at all about "yards after catch" or "those were short passess - it was only Tolliver's brilliant moves that garnered decent yards on them" but there were tons of such comments earlier in the year after similar plays.
Posted on 10/15/10 at 6:41 am to Methuselah
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It's strange. After this game, I didn't see any discussion at all about "yards after catch" or "those were short passess - it was only Tolliver's brilliant moves that garnered decent yards on them" but there were tons of such comments earlier in the year after similar plays.
When folks tend to like someone or something they tend to look at issues differently. In any case you have to agree that the passing game just worked when Lee was there.
It could be sheer coincidence that the playcalling was wrong/receivers were dropping/defense was different each time JJ was there but the overall impression that anyone gets is that when JJ is there the ball was not moving at all.
I certainly think that JJ can be an effective QB to run with the ball if he can just throw it with some consistency. Then we can use him like Tebow was during the 2006 Florida run. He can come in and convert some downs when needed.
Posted on 10/15/10 at 7:34 am to CalTiger
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In any case you have to agree that the passing game just worked when Lee was there.
Yeah. I do agree with that. My opinion is that JL should definitely get the most snaps and keep getting more as he keeps doing well. But I have to be honest - sometimes it gives me pause to be on the same side of an issue as people that consistently bash one of our players. A lot of their posts just come across as attempts to justify a personal preference.
I felt the same way when it was Lee that people were bashing. People have a right to bash if they want to but it just strikes me as wrong to do it to our own players.
Posted on 10/15/10 at 7:56 am to Methuselah
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I felt the same way when it was Lee that people were bashing. People have a right to bash if they want to but it just strikes me as wrong to do it to our own players.
I agree - the worst part is he is not to be blamed. What do you expect the guy to say - hey I am not good and can't justify a scholarship to LSU? If his best is not good enough for a team then whose fault is it that he is put there in that situation.
Not bashing Miles or any coach here, but if players are not good enough to be in the game, then it is on the coach who put them there. They should put the right/capable guy there. If there is no such capable guy - that is on them as well and not on the player who is doing the best he can.
You don't go to the Coates Hall and shout at the Computer Sci TA when he does a bad job- you shout at the prof who gave him the Assistant-ship for selecting him to do the job.
Don't blame the guy -it is asinine to keep downing JJ when he is not the guy who made the decision to be there on the field.
Posted on 10/15/10 at 8:01 am to ottothewise
Maybe it is like a boxer, using a lot of body punches in the beginning to set the guy up for the big hit later. Using JJ to run the defense down and JL to pass on them after they are tired of being hit by the running game. I think a lot of teams use that philosophy, even if it is with one quarterback, use the run to set up the pass.
Posted on 10/15/10 at 8:43 am to ottothewise
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One thing that Lee does is he studies what's going on and even though he's not taking the snaps, he understands what's being done
So JJ is too stupid to analyze the game and make adjustments?
Posted on 10/15/10 at 8:47 am to eddieray
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I just wonder how many points we left on the field at Gainsville in an effort to make sure Jefferson got most of the series'.
Posted on 10/15/10 at 8:49 am to TigerWilson88
Maybe if Jefferson wasnt pouting on the sidelines he'd pay more attention to lee and learn how to be a leader.
Posted on 10/15/10 at 8:57 am to TheDoc
well for the last 2 weeks our 1st drives have been scoring drives, a TD vs UT and a FG vs Florida so most of what has been posted in this thread that starting JJ leads to blown opportunities for Lee to put points on the board is bs. I am not a JJ guy or JL guy, I simply pull for whichever one is in the game to do well. The hatred for JJ in our fanbase is out of control and people need to realize that we need both of these kids to perform well and take advantage of their individual strengths.
Posted on 10/15/10 at 9:10 am to trevolution
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I've said this for weeks. He's Manu Ginobili. If that is what works best, work it.
This is quite possibly the dumbest argument ever given on the rant. Please stop using it.
The worst 2 guard in the NBA doesn't start over Manu, thats the difference here.
Posted on 10/15/10 at 9:24 am to QD Tiger
as long as JL gets the most snaps, that is all that matters
Posted on 10/15/10 at 9:28 am to ottothewise
I think another reason this might work out is that neither of these guys has to endure the pressure of being THE man. Both seem to have struggled with that pressure. They both seemed more relaxed and confident in the FL game. They both know the other guy will play and carry some of the load. When one comes in for the other now, it is part of the game plan, not a judgment of either's worth. Coaches can make teams prepare for the option, the wildcat, and a pro-style pocket passer. They can also find the hot hand and ride it. Credit to the staff for keeping both guys on task through some difficult times. Now they seem poised to benefit from both.
Posted on 10/15/10 at 9:32 am to QD Tiger
another thing is the competition it brings, neither one wants to be the weak link so it creates competition to perform, just like rotating the defensive linemen. Spurrier used this same strategy in FL.
Posted on 10/15/10 at 9:38 am to QD Tiger
I love the people saying its working and that we just need to make sure Lee is getting most of the snaps when thats not happening right now. What was the disparity of snaps before JLee led us down the field on that final drive we had to score on? Like 41 to 20 in favor of JJ? Lee will play more when Jefferson is struggling. Or when we need a game winning score. And its stupid Miles waits that long to go to him. But all of you keep closing your eyes to this. Until it costs us a game.
Posted on 10/15/10 at 9:39 am to Minew
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Both seem to have struggled with that pressure
When has Lee struggled with that pressure this year?
Posted on 10/15/10 at 9:39 am to QD Tiger
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Spurrier used this same strategy in FL.
Not when he had a good qb who led the team
Posted on 10/15/10 at 10:18 am to josh336
Thanks for your interest Josh.
Lee hasn't had that particular pressure this year. What pressure he has had, he has handled, except perhaps early in the TN game. I am simply suggesting that he may be more relaxed and comfortable because he does not bear the weight of the position alone, as he did in '08. It could also be that he is more mature and versed in the offense after two years.
These days, I don't think anyone believes that a two quarterback system is ideal. That is not to say that there aren't certain situations where it's the best choice. Given the abilities, histories, and personalities of our two guys, this may be one of those situations. After last week's result, doing something totally different would be the risker choice, in my opinion. If you can get that kind of production out of the QB position, frankly the best in a couple of years, I'm not sure why you go in a different direction next week.
That's just my opinion, of course, and I don't really care who the QBs or coaches are as long as we win all of our games (and stay clean w/ the NCAA, the law, and on the report cards). I just thought it was interesting to note that the 2QB system might just be "a feature, not a bug" in this case.
Lee hasn't had that particular pressure this year. What pressure he has had, he has handled, except perhaps early in the TN game. I am simply suggesting that he may be more relaxed and comfortable because he does not bear the weight of the position alone, as he did in '08. It could also be that he is more mature and versed in the offense after two years.
These days, I don't think anyone believes that a two quarterback system is ideal. That is not to say that there aren't certain situations where it's the best choice. Given the abilities, histories, and personalities of our two guys, this may be one of those situations. After last week's result, doing something totally different would be the risker choice, in my opinion. If you can get that kind of production out of the QB position, frankly the best in a couple of years, I'm not sure why you go in a different direction next week.
That's just my opinion, of course, and I don't really care who the QBs or coaches are as long as we win all of our games (and stay clean w/ the NCAA, the law, and on the report cards). I just thought it was interesting to note that the 2QB system might just be "a feature, not a bug" in this case.
Posted on 10/15/10 at 10:24 am to CalTiger
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I hope that Lee can take over after McNeese and stay healthy and injury-safe throughout the season.
Me too.
But that is an advantage to the 2 QB system. If either gets hurt the other guy has experience.
And QBs tend to get hurt in what could be a 14 game season.
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