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re: Major Flaw in the "Name someone better" argument
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:01 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:01 pm to CptBengal
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Less was 28-21 at Okiestate
0-3 in bowl games.
3-10 against the top 25 teams.
Those stats seem similar to his recent SEC output.....dont they?
Im pretty sure we can find a coach better than that.
So you're going to completely ignore the fact that Oklahoma St. sucked prior to him being there and he had to rebuild the program. Plus the fact that he was coaching at a little brother school in that state.
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:02 pm to DeathValley85
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Either Saban or Jon Gruden prolly.
GRUDEN baby.... that sumbitch would probably bite you if you fumbled the ball
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:02 pm to Jeffreylebowski
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This ain't University of Texas.
HO-LEE Crap! Talk about delusional.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:02 pm to Jeffreylebowski
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You tellin me someone else couldn't do better than losing 22 games since 08? With the talent base of LA, resources, passion, facilities?
Do you think the next coach will have the winning percentage of Les Miles?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:03 pm to MrPackSix
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Names like Gary Patterson, Bronco Mendenhall, and James Franklin come to my mind
Patterson is a loose cannon. He blew the Baylor game this year because he couldn't control his emotions - Briles got in his head. Sometimes he looks as if he's about to have a stroke on the sidelines. No way in a big time conference.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:04 pm to XKEnut
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Patterson is a loose cannon. He blew the Baylor game this year because he couldn't control his emotions - Briles got in his head. Sometimes he looks as if he's about to have a stroke on the sidelines. No way in a big time conference.
Patterson would be a grand slam type of hire.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:06 pm to LSUfan4444
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You better make sure you can get a/the guy you want if you're going to walk away from the most successful coach in school history.
You sound very confident that bum won't just leave. How would you feel about him if he disappeared in the middle of the night like he did at Oklahoma State
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:08 pm to CptBengal
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Less was 28-21 at Okiestate
0-3 in bowl games.
3-10 against the top 25 teams.
Those stats seem similar to his recent SEC output.....dont they?
Im pretty sure we can find a coach better than that.
Pick which one from your list of 70 you are going to advocate.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:09 pm to Jeffreylebowski
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If LSU opens up, there will be plenty of options wanting the job. It's silly to deny it. This ain't University of Texas.
Couple things...if it opens up because Les leaves, we will HAVE to find a new coach. Then all of this is pointless conversation.
If you're suggesting we get rid of Les, do you honestly think ANY coach will apply for it? Think about what that interview would be like..."so you're telling me you fired a coach who just had 10 win seasons in 4 years back to back to back to back, and a 8-4(7-5) season and you want me to take this job? Are you out of your mind?"
To think that coaches wouldn't take note of that fact....that the AD would fire a coach who has won more games in 10 years than anyone after a winning season in the toughest division in the toughest conference in college football, is crazy!
Yes, there are issues. But firing the coach this year would almost guaranteed land you in a worse spot.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:10 pm to Jeffreylebowski
I agree with this post. Accepting mediocrity for the fear of failing is the definition of average. There are great coaches out there like Saban was at Mich St, Jimbo before FSU, etc. With the instate talent and resources the right guy could dominate. Les isnt that guy
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:10 pm to bilbo72
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the fact that Oklahoma St. sucked prior to him being there
ahhh, I enjoy pumper lies.
Bob Simmons was 30-38 at okie State....not vastly different than Miles at 28-21
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:12 pm to winston318
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You sound very confident that bum won't just leave. How would you feel about him if he disappeared in the middle of the night like he did at Oklahoma State
Exactly. Miles would have been in Michigan if Lloyd Carr hadn't said NO, because he knows him well. He used Arky to get the fat raise and extension and had Aleva not played the dupe he would have been the Razorback coach. The guy is about money like all the rest of them.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:13 pm to Fratigerguy
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Couple things...if it opens up because Les leaves, we will HAVE to find a new coach. Then all of this is pointless conversation.
If you're suggesting we get rid of Les, do you honestly think ANY coach will apply for it? Think about what that interview would be like..."so you're telling me you fired a coach who just had 10 win seasons in 4 years back to back to back to back, and a 8-4(7-5) season and you want me to take this job? Are you out of your mind?"
To think that coaches wouldn't take note of that fact....that the AD would fire a coach who has won more games in 10 years than anyone after a winning season in the toughest division in the toughest conference in college football, is crazy!
Yes, there are issues. But firing the coach this year would almost guaranteed land you in a worse spot.
All of these coaches already know he's clueless. They all understand.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:13 pm to Jeffreylebowski
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Besides just being a cop out for people with not enough sense to come up with a better argument for status quo, this argument is predicated on the fact that LSU would NEVER get a better coach. The coach won't be here forever so eventually you have to get a different coach. So if you can't find someone better now, or 4 years ago, it would hold that you can't find someone better 4 years from now. So the real argument is that we have the best coach ever possible and this is as good as it will ever get. Because we couldn't find someone better.
Wow. You really don't understand that the logic is that there is a risk in hiring a new coach.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:13 pm to Jeffreylebowski
Do you really believe that?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:14 pm to DallasTiger
texas could be in terms of facilities, revenue, boosters, etc the top job in the country.
i really think one of the biggest fallacies in the "let's hire the next coach" conversation is that ones who really want miles gone are the ones who think we can get anyone we want. we're even at a point now where guys like gary patterson or art briles might be considered too old (i think they are like 55 and 60) to bring over.
so you might be left going after a hot coordinator or new coach. but you could end up with a charlie strong or muschamp.
who would want to come here when you're talking about the hassle of playing in the toughest conf/div in the world?
you want to argue money (Les makes 5 mill a yr.)
so does gary patterson at TCU. briles makes 4.2
the playing field has leveled a bit where salaries are not as big of a draw as they once were.
we're basically asking a coach to come work here and just know now before you sign the contract to coach in the toughest division in football that we'll always think you're making too much money and 10 wins a season is failure.
c'mon coach del rio instead of taking another NFL head job (which he will get one day) c'mon and sign here.
that unless you win a nat'l title basically every 3-4 yrs that we will hate you. and you'll have to play all the teams in the west that are improving or continuing to be awesome as well as FLorida ever y yr (bc they won't be down forever).
i really think one of the biggest fallacies in the "let's hire the next coach" conversation is that ones who really want miles gone are the ones who think we can get anyone we want. we're even at a point now where guys like gary patterson or art briles might be considered too old (i think they are like 55 and 60) to bring over.
so you might be left going after a hot coordinator or new coach. but you could end up with a charlie strong or muschamp.
who would want to come here when you're talking about the hassle of playing in the toughest conf/div in the world?
you want to argue money (Les makes 5 mill a yr.)
so does gary patterson at TCU. briles makes 4.2
the playing field has leveled a bit where salaries are not as big of a draw as they once were.
we're basically asking a coach to come work here and just know now before you sign the contract to coach in the toughest division in football that we'll always think you're making too much money and 10 wins a season is failure.
c'mon coach del rio instead of taking another NFL head job (which he will get one day) c'mon and sign here.
that unless you win a nat'l title basically every 3-4 yrs that we will hate you. and you'll have to play all the teams in the west that are improving or continuing to be awesome as well as FLorida ever y yr (bc they won't be down forever).
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:15 pm to Jeffreylebowski
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If LSU opens up, there will be plenty of options wanting the job. It's silly to deny it. This ain't University of Texas.
You're right, we aren't. Their financial situation as a university is drastically different.
That is arguably the #1 job in the country. They have bottomless pockets
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:15 pm to TDTGodfather
Miles was 28-21 when we hired him, drop the drama queen routine
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:16 pm to CptBengal
8 games under .500 is not too different than 7 games over?
Udumb
Udumb
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:16 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:Back channels and agents, it's done all the time- see Saban to Bama.
The premise is that you don't end up like Texas, with egg on your face, after multiple people turned you down.
You better make sure you can get a/the guy you want if you're going to walk away from the most successful coach in school history.
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