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re: Mainieri paraphrased: "my players are not talented"
Posted on 5/10/11 at 9:51 am to Enfuego
Posted on 5/10/11 at 9:51 am to Enfuego
I think he is probably right and he does accept responsibility for the recruitment of this team. However, he should have added that it is the coaches responsibility to develop the talent. Shouldn't they be improving under his leadership by practicing daily with him and the hitting coaches, etc. His recruiting classes have been highly ranked meaning that people saw the raw talent there, but there seems to be no improvement in skills once they get here. The batters seem to go to the plate with no plan and no sense of the situation at hand. There have been many times where the opposing pitcher seems to be tiring or struggling and loads up the bases and our batters rather than work the pitch count and put more pressure on him,hack at the first pitch and let him off the hook. The strategies of the game seem to be lost. Getting thrown out trying to steal 3rd base when you are already in scoring position with a good hitter up to bat, wandering off the base and getting picked off, not applying the tag or stepping on the bag....just basics are totally lacking at times. The dugout is typically like a library. There doesn't seem to be any encouragement or enthusiasm at all. It's like they do not enjoy being there.
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 9:53 am to undrafted
quote:This is the smartest post in this thread...and you folks taking up for CPM have obviously never played a sport at a high level.
Nothing makes a team want to play hard and not give up on a season like their coach saying they suck.
These are not run-of-the-mill players. All of LSU's major contributors were highly recruited out of high school.
Is there a talent deficiencly? probably
But this team is very poorly coached.
Most importantly, even if all the players have been playing with the glove on the wrong hand, you don't throw them under the bus to the media.
In private to the team, fine....Bertman did it ALL THE TIME. Tell them they're horseshite & should have never come to LSU...but not to the media.
What good can possibly come from saying what he said to the media? name one potential positive from saying this to the media.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 9:53 am to Tyson53
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 10:05 am to lsursb
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 10:11 am to Tombo
I think he is right to accept responsibility, b ut maybe he shouldn't have said this during the season. Since yall say most of the posters on here are under 30 and you are seeing how everyone on here is responding to it, don't you think that the players will kind of have the same reactions? It can be misread and taken the wrong way as if he were throwing the kids under the bus, or it could be seen as him taking responsibility for his lack of good recruiting, etc. no matter how it's taken I think that he definitely should have saved it for after the season. Why should the kids try if the Head Coach gives up?
Posted on 5/10/11 at 10:16 am to LSUGrad9295
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I read the link, and I think the coach is being frank and candid...I appreciate that. People always bitch about coaches not speaking the truth...well....Mainieri is speaking the truth, so don't bitch at him about it. At least he sees what the issue is and plans to do something about it.
no shite.....totally agree....hey it they arent as talented they arent as talented....bottom line...recruit more guys....i dont see why this is a big deal...happens in baseball all the time...
Posted on 5/10/11 at 10:17 am to Tyson53
I was talking to someone who attends in some capacity talks given by CM (fund raisers, etc) and he told me he more than once he heard him (CM) say how stupid Chad Jones was...and this is while Chad was playing for him.
I give a S about baseball but this is a major red flag for any coach.
I give a S about baseball but this is a major red flag for any coach.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 10:20 am to bayoujd
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Mainieri is 100% correct on both of these statements:
1. This team is not as talented as his prior teams.
2. The blame lies with Mainieri.
I applaud him for accepting responsibility for the talent deficiency. He recruited these players and admitted it's his fault ultimately.
However, he should not have said #1 in the public domain.
You are probably right with regard to his stating as much in public. It might have been a better move to keep that to himself. But on the other hand, if LSU fans (yourself and choctaw excluded) weren't so freakin flammable, they would take that statement for what it is, and not blow it out of proportion.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 10:28 am to Billy Ray Valentine
I agree with your point. How would you take this statement if you were being recruited by LSU? Would you think that you may one day read that you weren't any good or would you think that this is a place to come and play immediately? I would tend to think that it would be taken more as a negative, since the recruits always think they are better than the guys already on the team.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 10:40 am to Billy Ray Valentine
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These are not run-of-the-mill players. All of LSU's major contributors were highly recruited out of high school.
So these highly recruited badasses are not capable of hearing the truth? That they are not quite as skilled as the coaching staff had first anticipated?
Give me a break. They are ball players, not ballerinas. If they are going to cry and give up because their coach thinks he's over estimated their collective talent level, then they won't last a second in a true rivalry in MLB.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 10:46 am to Prolate Spheroid
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was talking to someone who attends in some capacity talks given by CM (fund raisers, etc) and he told me he more than once he heard him (CM) say how stupid Chad Jones was...and this is while Chad was playing for him.
I give a S about baseball but this is a major red flag for any coach.
it must be true then. hey, i'm telling you i have a great ocean front lot in arizona, want to buy it?
i'll say it more than once so you will believe me.
i have a great ocean front lot in arizona, want to buy it?
p.s. i heard people say miles used the f-bomb at the recruiting bash. I was there and he didn't. who should i believe? what people told me or what i saw and heard?
Posted on 5/10/11 at 10:49 am to AllAboutMe
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you just dont do these things publicly. any coach with his experience should know better.
agreed. lacking in class on teh CPM front.
You can answer the question MUCH BETTER than he did. Was he not expecting it?
Bad form coach. Wonder if this was intended to motivate ......this and knowing he is embarrased by the play. Ha sanyone asked if he is embarrased by some of the very mediocre coaching this year?
Posted on 5/10/11 at 10:57 am to TigerFan55555
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i dont see why this is a big deal...
It's a big deal because you are asking these guys to give you their all. To eat, sleep, and LIVE LSU baseball. They have a right to expect the same from the coaching staff (100% SUPPORT) when on the team.
You close ranks during the season and support each other 100% (publicly). Changes are to be made when appropriate. Talking about that publicly shows a weakness in CPM's character and/or judgement that is cause for concern, IMO.
What good comes from his statement? Other than (potentially) taking some heat off the coach or allowing him to vent.
Act like a man CPM, you represent LSU.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 11:01 am to Sid in Lakeshore
I think people are blowing this WAY out of proportion. He said they don't have as much talent as in years past. Is this shocking to anyone regardless of who or where he says it. We went to the CWS two years in a row a couple years back and have won the SEC 3 in a row. We probably won't even qualify for the SEC tourney. To say were aren't as talented as years past is stating the obvious not throwing the players under the bus. It is not like the players heard this and thought, "no way we are way more talented then the past LSU teams." As a player if you are losing and playing like shite, you know you suck and expect the coach to hold you accountable.
Then he goes on to say he needs to recruit better and get players who put the team in position to win. Last time I checked that is the formula for success in any college sports not a low blow to his team.
If I went out on a limb and I have no way to back this up, but I'm going to say that most of yall are way more pissed about his comments then any of the players that were so called "thrown under the bus."
Then he goes on to say he needs to recruit better and get players who put the team in position to win. Last time I checked that is the formula for success in any college sports not a low blow to his team.
If I went out on a limb and I have no way to back this up, but I'm going to say that most of yall are way more pissed about his comments then any of the players that were so called "thrown under the bus."
Posted on 5/10/11 at 11:10 am to OPR
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OPR
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What good can possibly come from saying what he said to the media? name one potential positive from saying this to the media.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 11:11 am to Tyson53
It's not like PM called a presser to announce this. Put on the spot, would you "No Comment", or lie?
That said, I don't feel LSU is making a very smooth transition to small ball and he owns that.
That said, I don't feel LSU is making a very smooth transition to small ball and he owns that.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 11:13 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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agreed. lacking in class on teh CPM front.
You can answer the question MUCH BETTER than he did. Was he not expecting it?
Bad form coach. Wonder if this was intended to motivate ......this and knowing he is embarrased by the play. Ha sanyone asked if he is embarrased by some of the very mediocre coaching this year?
the fact their isn't a consensus on if it was right or wrong, says it all. it wasn't right or wrong.
people who are upset with him, will use this as a way to jump on him when he is down.
people who still believe in him will use this as a positive that he understands what is wrong and has a plan to fix it.
the only consistant thing has been the rant bashing coaches, players, and wanting everyone in the athletic department fired this year.
They aren't happy when he is not taking responsibility, they aren't happy if says what the problem is, they aren't happy if he doesn't say what the problem is.
P.M., les miles, trent, joe, and everyone in the athletic department can not please everyone on the rant. will not happen.
sid, your usually better than this. saying paul m. is lacking in class for his comment is unfair. remember, your making pubulic comments about him that aren't exactly classy.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 11:16 am to dinosaur
I can promise beyond any doubt that what is going on now and being said my LSU coaches is having a lukewarm effect on recruits. None of the signees (I can speak for 1 specifically) are afraid of competition. But it is a spooky situation to see your future head coach talk about his players like that in the press. Very poor judgment. You dont hear that kind of statement coming from other SEC coaches, running down current players. Also, expect any current player who gets drafted to take whatever they can get and leave.. Nola may be the only exception..
Posted on 5/10/11 at 11:28 am to Billy Ray Valentine
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OPR
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What good can possibly come from saying what he said to the media? name one potential positive from saying this to the media.
He didn't say it to "get some good" from it. He was asked a question (as he had been asked a billion times this season) about the lack of wins this year as opposed to seasons past and he answered it honestly. Should he have used coach speak and side stepped the issue, sure, if you like that kind of thing. Moron LSU fans looking for anything to use to hate on PM are the reason this is becoming a huge issue right now, not his actual words.
He didn't even say anything that every single person on this board doesn't already know. The level of talent playing for LSU this season is not as high as in the previous 2 seasons. Period. He didn't say the current guys suck, can't hit, are pathetic, are terrible, etc.
He simply stated a fact, something we all knew to be true.
It's not a matter of what good can come of it, it's a matter of him answering a direct question with a direct answer. If anything, LSU fans should feel better about the fact that he knows what the problem is and is willing to both take responsibility for that problem as well as fix it.
I am not absolving him from making mistakes as a coach as well. Of course he's made coaching mistakes this season that contributed to losses as well, but that's a different discussion altogether. I wonder if you would all be bitching if Joe had made a statement like "I think one of the contributing factors to our less than impressive record in baseball is the fact that our coaching talent and decision making has dropped off slightly this year as opposed to the previous 2 years". You assholes would be creaming yourselves then.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 11:29 am to dos crystal
Can all of you sticking up for PM pls answer this question...
Regardless of the extent of "right or wrong" for him to say these things, why on earth would he say them to the media? It's certainly his right to feel that way and to even say it behind closed doors. What good can possibly come of saying that COLLECTIVELY the current team is talent deficient TO THE PUBLIC during the season?
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What good can possibly come from saying what he said to the media? name one potential positive from saying this to the media.
Regardless of the extent of "right or wrong" for him to say these things, why on earth would he say them to the media? It's certainly his right to feel that way and to even say it behind closed doors. What good can possibly come of saying that COLLECTIVELY the current team is talent deficient TO THE PUBLIC during the season?
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