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re: LSU's QBs looked mediocre.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:37 pm to ForeLSU
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:37 pm to ForeLSU
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hence using the term "staff" in making this point.
However you decide to phrase it, the staff has not done a good job in coaching the offense in preparation for games. Whether or not the staff does a good job of trying to steer around how bad the offense is on gameday is another issue.
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Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:40 pm to Doc Fenton
"The staff" has not made an effort to allow one QB to get into a groove/rhythm. This stops the O from ever having the chance to be cohesive.
This, alone, will hinder the entire team from reaching it' potential this year.
This falls squarely on Les' shoulders - the buck stops somewhere.
This, alone, will hinder the entire team from reaching it' potential this year.
This falls squarely on Les' shoulders - the buck stops somewhere.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:44 pm to Doc Fenton
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but it's not fair to judge them for being the reason the offense is underperforming. There is no way to judge them as being inferior to SEC competition based on watching them play under Crowton's dysfunctional circus. Another coach would likely have LSU's offense near the top of the conference even with them.
that's part of Crowton's biggest problem, is not being able to adapt to the strengths and weaknesses of his players...however, I have seen enough of JJ and JLee to strongly assume that they probably wouldn't start at most any other SEC school. It's possible they could be coached out of their problems, but who knows.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:59 pm to ForeLSU
I think they'd definitely start at Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Miss. State, or Ole Miss.
They're good enough to start in various off years at the position at places like Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, or Tennessee--just as they are with LSU.
I'd say that a handful of schools that are known for great passing games/coaches, like Arkansas or Auburn or Florida, are places where they would probably never start.
In sum, I think they are average SEC QBs. Lee being slightly above average, and Jefferson being slightly below average--unless you specifically create an option offense tailored to his skills, in which case all bets are off.
If that means they are "mediocre," then I say that it's not so mediocre that LSU can't have a very good, solid, high-functioning offense even with them at the helm.
I definitely don't think they are the problem holding back the offense, as so many other posters seem to believe.
That's the point I want to make, and with that said, now I'm outta here...
They're good enough to start in various off years at the position at places like Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, or Tennessee--just as they are with LSU.
I'd say that a handful of schools that are known for great passing games/coaches, like Arkansas or Auburn or Florida, are places where they would probably never start.
In sum, I think they are average SEC QBs. Lee being slightly above average, and Jefferson being slightly below average--unless you specifically create an option offense tailored to his skills, in which case all bets are off.
If that means they are "mediocre," then I say that it's not so mediocre that LSU can't have a very good, solid, high-functioning offense even with them at the helm.
I definitely don't think they are the problem holding back the offense, as so many other posters seem to believe.
That's the point I want to make, and with that said, now I'm outta here...
This post was edited on 11/14/10 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 11/14/10 at 4:17 pm to Roaad
Mediocre? I don't think that's the right word for it.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 4:28 pm to Doc Fenton
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How can you judge any QB based on this piece-of-shite offense LSU has?
I see some of the same issues with both QB's mechanics, which is something that Crowton, as the OC/QB coach, should have responsibility. However, the receivers have dropped far too many balls, which we can't directly blame on Crowton, but the receivers have also blocked poorly, which has hurt on numerous occasions this year. Then to top it off, the OL has been hot/cold. But in conclusion, our offense has been borderline pathetic over the past two years; usually when that happens, changes HAVE to be made, and since Miles is safe, it's time for Crowton to be replaced...we cannot afford to have another down year on the offensive side of the ball next year, especially with the defense losing Nevis, Sheppard & more than likely, PP. Peterson.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:16 pm to RobbBobb
Yes
Look at me defend JJ.
Look at me defend JJ.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:20 pm to RobbBobb
The difference between Robbobb and myself on the issue of QB's is this:
He thinks one is better than the other.
He thinks one is better than the other.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 6:32 pm to RobbBobb
quote:My comments on JJ have been as fair as my comments on JL.
Since you went all in on JJ, your attempts to defend him are getting stoopid
When I fairly criticize JJ, nobody blink an eye.
When I criticize Lee? I am defending JJ!!!!
When I praise Lee's performance? Robbobb says not a word.
When I praise JJ's performance? Robbobb says I am hating on Lee and defending JJ!!!!!!!
When I say both are mediocre/terrible/awful? Well, you get this:
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RobbBobb
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Since you went all in on JJ, your attempts to defend him are getting stoopid
RobbBobb, we get it, bro. . .
You think Lee is All-World, and JJ is the worst QB in LSU history. JJ's flaws are because he sucks. . .JL's flaws are all coaching.
Except throwing off the back foot. . .which Lee never, EVER does.
Btw, since you only seem to want to compare passer efficiency ratings. . .where in the formula do they account for rushing yards?
Or should QB's never run?
This post was edited on 11/14/10 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 11/14/10 at 6:54 pm to Roaad
With Ridley, Ford, Ware, Blue, and Shepard in the backfield our QB should never run ... unless a pass play breaks down. Which it seems to do a whole hell of a lot more with JJ than most others. (JJ is 12th in SEC passing attempts, but 4th in rushing among QBs)
Lee only trails JJ by about 1 games worth of passing yards on the season. But how many more series has JJ been given to get him there?
Plus Lee has less sacks, ints, higher ypa, higher comp %, higher QB rating. All you got is JJ's a better runner. Dont need a runner, as our offensive ranking can attest.
All I want is for Lee to get one game where he comes out and get to set the tone with this defense. I think its statistically obvious hes the better QB, in his current role. I'd just like to see what he can do without having to play from behind, or coming in to a team thats dragging from not having picked up a 1st down.
Lee only trails JJ by about 1 games worth of passing yards on the season. But how many more series has JJ been given to get him there?
Plus Lee has less sacks, ints, higher ypa, higher comp %, higher QB rating. All you got is JJ's a better runner. Dont need a runner, as our offensive ranking can attest.
All I want is for Lee to get one game where he comes out and get to set the tone with this defense. I think its statistically obvious hes the better QB, in his current role. I'd just like to see what he can do without having to play from behind, or coming in to a team thats dragging from not having picked up a 1st down.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 7:18 pm to RobbBobb
quote:Read option, option plays, and QB draws are broken pass plays?
Which it seems to do a whole hell of a lot more with JJ than most others.
Seems to be Crowton's offense.
quote:Lee throws the ball a bit better.
Lee only trails JJ by about 1 games worth of passing yards on the season. But how many more series has JJ been given to get him there?
JJ runs better.
Here recently, the throwing has been a push.
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Plus Lee has less sacks, ints, higher ypa, higher comp %, higher QB rating.
quote:All you got is Lee throws a bit better.
All you got is JJ's a better runner.
And, again, that has been a push recently.
Lee seems to have regressed rapidly. JJ regressed rapidly last season to this one. Lee came out like a shot, but has faded.
quote:And if he sucks, you will just say, "well, JJ couldn't have done better"
All I want is for Lee to get one game where he comes out and get to set the tone with this defense.
Because you have it set in your mind that Lee is head and shoulders better than JJ.
From the honest observer (in a general sense):
JL passing = JJ running + passing
You think one is better than the other. I say they are equally bad.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 7:33 pm to Doc Fenton
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I definitely don't think they are the problem holding back the offense, as so many other posters seem to believe.
I agree. It's Crowton. Does anyone remember how bad a talent QB Steve Walsh (Miami) was? Guy couldn't throw a 20 yard out route. Look up his college career. He was lights out. Good coaching can mask a lot of talent issues and bad coaching can ruin a lot of talent.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 7:47 pm to Shaka Zulu
quote:Yup.
It's Crowton
QB play is not holding this team back.
Crowton's ego is holding this team back.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 8:31 pm to Roaad
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You think one is better than the other. I say they are equally bad.
The one I know is bad, the other I haven't seen enough from with a Chavis defense to evaluate
I do suspect we would be a 3-4 loss team without Lee, and a 1-2 loss team without JJ
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