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re: LSUAD is videotaping students chanting obscenities.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 10:55 am to ballscaster
Posted on 12/18/13 at 10:55 am to ballscaster
CRAWFISH! CRAWFISH! CRAWFISH!
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 10:58 am to ballscaster
quote:YEA OK.
It may or may not be a free speech in the constitutional or legal sense, but I haven't argued that. Anytime I've mentioned the principle of free speech in this thread, I've made it clear that I'm arguing it in a de facto, moral sense that in no way references a law.
quote:how do you know, maybe me or he is on the Board. hell even if we just donated money to the school it is still our business about the images you are giving this University.
, it is none of your business what those people over there are saying.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:02 am to LNCHBOX
quote:I guess that's where there's something I'm missing because I agree completely with this.
I did in the rest of my post. I'll sum it up as you're wasting your breath trying to tell people what is and isn't offensive to them. That is a personal choice, and is entirely subjective. If someone decides that a bunch of kids chanting STTDB is offensive to them they have every right to voice their opinion on it just like those chanting STTDB have every right to chant it.
Opinions are one thing. Opinions about someone else's display of morality to which you choose to object are one thing. That's all fine.
What isn't fine is when people with one moral standard police the language of those with another. It is more morally deficient than anything to which they claim to object, and it is inherently hypocritical.
Add to that the fact that it won't work and will be a waste of money, and the opinions supporting such actions are just plain stupid.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:04 am to CarRamrod
quote:No it isn't. Donations don't give you student section language policing rights.
how do you know, maybe me or he is on the Board. hell even if we just donated money to the school it is still our business about the images you are giving this University.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:04 am to ballscaster
quote:
Add to that the fact that it won't work
I agree with this, but surely you have to understand that people would like to be able to enjoy an LSU game with hearing what they deem offensive language. If STTDB wasn't so blatantly offensive, I think there could be more people agreeing with you.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:06 am to ballscaster
quote:
It may or may not be a free speech in the constitutional or legal sense, but I haven't argued that. Anytime I've mentioned the principle of free speech in this thread, I've made it clear that I'm arguing it in a de facto, moral sense that in no way references a law. Ie, it is none of your business what those people over there are saying. Leave them alone and let them say what they want, and you do the same. There's a game to watch.
Here's the gist: It's just another one of a long list of things that LSU doesn't want happening on it's campus. At the end of the day, they make the rules.
Those who believe their need to do this overrules their desire to attend an LSU event have a choice to make.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:09 am to oleheat
quote:
Those who believe their need to do this overrules their desire to attend an LSU event have a choice to make.
the truth....
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:09 am to ballscaster
Let me ask you this.... say you own a store, restaurant, bar, business with a store front. You have people that come in and buy 1000's of dollars worth of stuff all the time. You also have a gum ball machine. you have a group of kids that come in and buy gumballs regularly.
Now all of a sudden these gumball buyers start hanging around a little too much and screaming and yelling at the the patrons that spend 1000's of dollars at your store.
Are you telling you do not have a right to threaten them with getting kicked out if they do not behave?
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:10 am to Ed Wuncler III
It is in the worst possible taste to shout obscenities, projects a terrible image for the university on national tv and is downright ignorant.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:11 am to LNCHBOX
quote:My problem with this premise is that the student section has chanted more blatantly offensive things that have been completely tolerated. "What comes out of a Chinaman's arse?" is worse. Cheering when an opponent is injured, which I've seen MANY times, is WAY worse. Being publicly intoxicated in front of children on a college campus is worse.
If STTDB wasn't so blatantly offensive,
It goes in line with the selective morality bullshite, and it's why when anyone acts indignant about STTDB, I instantly dismiss their point of view. There are other things that happen on game days far more often than STTDB ever could happen and that are more offensive than the chant that these same protest warriors tolerate. This whole movement is dishonest, hypocritical, and not respectable.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:11 am to oleheat
quote:perfect.
Here's the gist: It's just another one of a long list of things that LSU doesn't want happening on it's campus. At the end of the day, they make the rules.
Those who believe their need to do this overrules their desire to attend an LSU event have a choice to make.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:12 am to ballscaster
quote:you are going to have a lifetime od disappointment with this view on life.
I instantly dismiss their point of view.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:13 am to CarRamrod
Speaking of crawfish...
Your post has nothing to do with this argument.
Your post has nothing to do with this argument.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:14 am to ballscaster
quote:
Not reading all that.
Lazy.
Uninformed.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:15 am to ballscaster
quote:
My problem with this premise is that the student section has chanted more blatantly offensive things that have been completely tolerated.
That's you opinion and you're welcome to it, but I disagree.
quote:
"What comes out of a Chinaman's arse?" is worse
No.
quote:
Cheering when an opponent is injured, which I've seen MANY times, is WAY worse.
No it isn't. And list these many times BTW.
quote:
Being publicly intoxicated in front of children on a college campus is worse.
No. quote:
It goes in line with the selective morality bullshite, and it's why when anyone acts indignant about STTDB, I instantly dismiss their point of view. There are other things that happen on game days far more often than STTDB ever could happen and that are more offensive than the chant that these same protest warriors tolerate. This whole movement is dishonest, hypocritical, and not respectable.
So everyone has to have an all or nothing approach? That sure sounds like an ideal more than a practical application.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:15 am to Red Stick Tigress
quote:Amoral.
Red Stick Tigress
Hypocrite.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:15 am to ballscaster
ignore it just like everything everyone has said that makes your argument shite.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:19 am to LNCHBOX
quote:
Tigress's insistence on the literal sucking of a tiger's dick is pretty fricking ridiculous.
I didn't say that.
I said that is what the chant states and for that there is not denial.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:20 am to Red Stick Tigress
quote:
I didn't say that.
I said that is what the chant states and for that there is not denial.
Let it go. ETA: And before you ask me to quote you...
quote:
(1) the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that it appeals to shameful or morbid sexual interests;
Sucking a four legged animal's dick isn't shameful ????? Do some internet research. There are cases of sex with animals. Probably not tigers, but what if our mascot was another type of animal?
(2) it depicts or describes patently offensive sexual conduct; Sucking a tiger dick (sexual acts with animals) isn't patently offensive?????
This post was edited on 12/18/13 at 11:23 am
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:22 am to LNCHBOX
Chinaman's arse is racist. That's worse than STTDB.
I'm sorry that I can't name a single injured player who drew cheers from the student section, but I can tell you that I'm not making it up, and the 2002 Alabama game was the worst I'd seen. The students cheered for three injured players in the fourth quarter alone...and these were the students who stayed for that whole shutout and you'd think were the "good" fans.
Being drunk around kids is way worse than profanity. Come on.
None of these things listed above have done anything to tarnish LSU's reputation, and I have a problem with none of them, and neither will STTDB, and I have no problem with it either.
I'm sorry that I can't name a single injured player who drew cheers from the student section, but I can tell you that I'm not making it up, and the 2002 Alabama game was the worst I'd seen. The students cheered for three injured players in the fourth quarter alone...and these were the students who stayed for that whole shutout and you'd think were the "good" fans.
Being drunk around kids is way worse than profanity. Come on.
None of these things listed above have done anything to tarnish LSU's reputation, and I have a problem with none of them, and neither will STTDB, and I have no problem with it either.
quote:No, but to be indignant about bad words but not racism, cheering for injuries, and public intoxication, all of which are actually worse, is dishonest and hypocritical.
So everyone has to have an all or nothing approach? That sure sounds like an ideal more than a practical application.
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