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re: LSUAD is videotaping students chanting obscenities.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:24 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:24 pm to LNCHBOX
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If they try to make an example of a few, I think LSU will get sued.
I don't see that affecting LSU's decision at all.
The act that you are so concerned with the administration cracking down on tickets is proof that it will work.
The smart move would be to make an example of a few students. If that doesn't work, then the next move would be to transfer a block of 1000 tickets to the athletic department/TAF for sale to the general public.
Obviously, the would not be able to be undone. As such, it will get the students attention. And it will benefit the program financially by putting fans in the stands who are willing to pay.
They can do this as many times as they need to.
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Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:25 pm to MOT
I would ask you to show me where it says you cannot use profane language in Tiger Stadium.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:25 pm to TNTigerman
quote:Saying that directly to someone is worse than saying to no one in particular "STTDB."
If you don't see what's wrong with shouting something as vulgar as sucking a dick, then you're an idiot.
Just more namecalling from the language police.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:27 pm to MOT
quote:Not what I said.
So in your opinion there should never be consequences for language or spoken words in general?
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:27 pm to ballscaster
quote:
But it cannot be denied that the reason that the program exists in the first place has nothing to do with anyone who isn't affiliated with the university.
Yeah back in the 1940's. Not relevant to this argument.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:28 pm to Sherman Klump
quote:Perfectly stated.
No one is saying it is acceptable on the corner. It's a norm within college football to have derogatory chants and such. You surely wouldn't unload an ice chest, crack a beer and start cooking jambalaya on the street corner on any normal day?
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:29 pm to Sherman Klump
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I would ask you to show me where it says you cannot use profane language in Tiger Stadium.
It has already been quoted in this thread, but it is found in the fan guide and on lsusports.net.
So if you are breaking tailgate policies and are asked to stop, do you keep doing it anyway since it is your right to cook and eat food?
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:32 pm to MOT
So the fan guide is actually policies put in place with explicit rules and consequences if broken? Or merely game day suggestions? I'm genuinely curious.
ETA: I just found it. "LSU encourages its fans to show good sportsmanship and conduct themselves in a manner that represents LSU, the SEC and the NCAA with honor, dignity, and respect. LSU strongly recommends that fans:
.....Refrain from the use of vulgar, abusive, racist, sexist language etc..."
That isn't a policy or rule. It's a suggestion.
ETA: I just found it. "LSU encourages its fans to show good sportsmanship and conduct themselves in a manner that represents LSU, the SEC and the NCAA with honor, dignity, and respect. LSU strongly recommends that fans:
.....Refrain from the use of vulgar, abusive, racist, sexist language etc..."
That isn't a policy or rule. It's a suggestion.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:34 pm to RedTigerRulz
quote:Fixed.
Its goes beyond profane to absurdity.
There is nothing obscene about yelling STTDB because it absurd to think either of the following:
a) The students chanting STTDB wish earnestly for the party(ies) to whom the chant is directed to suck a tiger's penis.
b) The students chanting STTDB are directing the chant to anyone in particular in the first place.
Cheering when a player is injured is obscene. A general chant that has dirty words is not obscene--it's absurd. Same reason why Larry Flynt won against Falwell.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:38 pm to moneyg
quote:
The act that you are so concerned with the administration cracking down on tickets is proof that it will work.
How is that proof? quote:
The smart move would be to make an example of a few students
quote:
If they try to make an example of a few, I think LSU will get sued.
There is no way they can single out a few examples without getting sued. How do you not grasp that? There are more ridiculous lawsuits than that filed everyday.
quote:
If that doesn't work, then the next move would be to transfer a block of 1000 tickets to the athletic department/TAF for sale to the general public.
Never going to happen.
quote:
Obviously, the would not be able to be undone. As such, it will get the students attention. And it will benefit the program financially by putting fans in the stands who are willing to pay.
Never going to happen.
quote:
They can do this as many times as they need to.
Which will be zero. Because it will never happen.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:39 pm to lsu2006
quote:Be fair to your own argument.
Yeah back in the 1890's. Not relevant to this argument.
But I disagree wholeheartedly with it anyway. The program is there for the students to play and enjoy football. At no point did "civilians" gain the right to tell them what they are allowed to say and not allowed to say at football games.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:39 pm to Sherman Klump
This is the way it reads. Obviously with some of these you would absolutely be removed from the stadium, and not others. I think if one drunk fan was randomly standing up and yelling STTDB and the rest of the section wasn't, I think they would probably be removed if they were reported to security.
I would have to read back through to see if it specifically states the consequences anywhere. I haven't checked my tickets either, it wouldn't surprise me if there is some kind of notice on the back.
I would have to read back through to see if it specifically states the consequences anywhere. I haven't checked my tickets either, it wouldn't surprise me if there is some kind of notice on the back.
quote:
Sportsmanship
LSU encourages its fans to show good sportsmanship and conduct themselves in a manner that represents LSU, the Southeastern Conference and the NCAA with honor, dignity and respect. LSU strongly recommends that fans:
• Demonstrate the qualities of civility and sportsmanship at all times.
• Refrain from the use of vulgar, abusive, racist, sexist, demeaning or intimidating language at any time.
• Support the players, coaches and officials in a positive manner.
• Treat the visiting team, coaches and fans with courtesy and respect at all times.
• Refrain from engaging in cheers that are vulgar, crass or demeaning.
• Refrain from throwing objects for any reason.
• Avoid becoming inebriated or belligerent.
• Refrain from entering competition/team areas at any time, including after the game.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:42 pm to Sherman Klump
quote:
That isn't a policy or rule. It's a suggestion
Not throwing things is also a suggestion. Do you want to guess what happens to people when they are caught throwing bottles into the crowd? Or how about when they run onto the field in the middle of the game?
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:43 pm to MOT
quote:
Not throwing things is also a suggestion. Do you want to guess what happens to people when they are caught throwing bottles into the crowd?
You yourself said only some would actually get you kicked out. Or are you suggesting hitting someone with a bottle is the same as a chant?
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:45 pm to MOT
quote:Charged with assault?
Do you want to guess what happens to people when they are caught throwing bottles into the crowd?
quote:Charged with trespassing?
Or how about when they run onto the field in the middle of the game?
You wouldn't compare the century-old tradition of off-color chants by students at athletic events, or speech in general for that matter, to the crimes of assault and trespassing, would you?
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:46 pm to LNCHBOX
I'm suggesting that they are all listed in the same place and we already know several of them will get you removed from the stadium, so it isn't a stretch to think the others could have the same consequences if the person is caught, reported, etc.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:46 pm to MOT
quote:
Obviously with some of these you would absolutely be removed from the stadium, and not others
Is cursing one that gets you kicked out or not? Who makes that decision? Do you?
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:47 pm to ballscaster
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You wouldn't compare the century-old tradition of off-color chants by students at athletic events, or speech in general for that matter, to the crimes of assault and trespassing, would you?
No, I'm comparing them to the other "suggestions" on the list.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:48 pm to MOT
quote:
I'm suggesting that they are all listed in the same place and we already know several of them will get you removed from the stadium, so it isn't a stretch to think the others could have the same consequences if the person is caught, reported, etc.
Has anyone ever been kicked out for this chant in the years it has been around?
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:53 pm to LNCHBOX
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Has anyone ever been kicked out for this chant in the years it has been around?
I have no idea. I've seen people kicked out for cursing and acting a fool, but they were drunk and easily identifiable since the entire section wasn't acting the same way.
ETA: And when I originally said "not others" I was specifically talking about the "support in a positive manner" line. I've never seen anyone removed for booing, but that could mean something completely different for all I know.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 12:57 pm
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