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re: LSU is getting beat by the No 1 team in the nation so we should fire our coach..

Posted on 3/2/14 at 6:12 pm to
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 3/2/14 at 6:12 pm to
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But, they are still freshman.


Ok.. And?
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 3/2/14 at 6:24 pm to
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Johnny Jones is Daddy Dale Pt. 2.


Sigh.

No.
Posted by Slapouttiger
alabama
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Posted on 3/2/14 at 8:54 pm to
LSU BB sucks ! That's all for now
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:25 pm to
Sigh.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:27 pm to
No worries

And Im sure sometimes when Mickey makes a block, it goes into the hands of an opponent and he has an easy basket. That happens sometimes in sports. Ball just rolls the other teams way or whatever. But I doubt its most of the time.

And pulling down rebs could be a better option than blocking a shot, but theres no guarantee that those shots are going to be misses. Especially when you consider most of Mickeys block occur near or at the rim. The high percentage shot.

And yea Doc... JOB is a good big... dont get why you asked me that.

And yea 2 of our best players are just freshman. Meaning they are gaining experience physically and, most importantly, mentally. I dont know if you realize this, but a lot of freshman struggle in their 1st year. Even the high profiled guys like Wiggins. Parker has been solid for Duke all year, but had a bad stretch for a few weeks. The more experience they get, the more comfortable they become out there and the better they play. There are times where Mickey and Martin make a dumb freshman play. But their growth over the season has been really good.

Especially with Martin. Getting hurt in the 1st few minutes of the first game of the year stunted his development. The 1st month of the season is where young players get acclimated to the college game and develop. And he missed that. He came back and struggled and people on here were all up in arms talking about how horrible he was and all that. The dude was essentially playing in his 1st few games in college. Now, hes acclimated to the game and doing great.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
36634 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:14 am to
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Damn good depth. Gator bench outscored Tiger bench 28-2.
Kinda hard for the bench to score when they are never allowed to get off it. That's on the coach.
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:19 am to
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Kinda hard for the bench to score when they are never allowed to get off it. That's on the coach.


Who should we give extensive minutes off the bench?

Odo? uh, no
Malone? uh, no
Qman? uh, no
Our only "bench" player that can contribute is Stringer. He had a bad shooting day. So where would you have gotten bench points from? You obviously implied it was our coaches fault. What would you have done? I really want to hear this.......
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 10:21 am
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:26 am to
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solid big


That's how you describe JOB?



yes, anyone who knows at least a little knowledge about basketball and has watched a few LSU games would say that.
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:26 am to
That team was simply head and shoulders better than we were...simple as that.

No one should be complaining about this loss.

Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:42 am to
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Who should we give extensive minutes off the bench?

Odo? uh, no
Malone? uh, no
Qman? uh, no
Our only "bench" player that can contribute is Stringer. He had a bad shooting day. So where would you have gotten bench points from? You obviously implied it was our coaches fault. What would you have done? I really want to hear this.....
Any of the bunch. You can't run JOB, Mickey, and Martin nearly the entire game. They get tired, prone to fouls and other mistakes, and have to pace themselves.

cJJ may have been able to do that with eth smaller big guys he had previously, but with 6'9" + guys you can't run them all game like he does.

I have no idea why any of the big 3 were in there in the last 5 minutes against Florida.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:52 am to
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yes, anyone who knows at least a little knowledge about basketball and has watched a few LSU games would say that.


He is an all SEC player
Posted by S
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 11:10 am to
i think what she's saying is mickey blocking shots isn't necessarily always a good thing because it's usually indicative of our defense getting broken down at the point of attack.

they can't contain their man on the perimeter. the zone is dreadful, too much ball watching at the top of the zone, back of the zone does not move well at all. our press has been eviscerated more often than not.

we just need to get better defensively. bottom line. we can score enough, we just can't stop anyone and playing our shitty zone will not be conducive to helping our rebounding woes.

just a frustrating year man. could be worse but SHOULD be better.
Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
5355 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 11:15 am to
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just a frustrating year man. could be worse but SHOULD be better.


Well said. This is, in a nutshell, exactly how I feel. And no I don't think CJJ should be fired.
Posted by S
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 11:18 am to
yea, there is zero chance he is going to get fired. anyone who even half thinks he is, will be or should be fired now is just retarded.

now, if 2 years from now with the talent coming in we are still suffering from the same things that are holding this team back and just not moving forward as a program, the time is right to ask "is this the guy to lead this program to success?"

i want to see him do well, but i truly believe he is going to have to do what all coaches hate doing...break from the comfort zone, not be stubborn and get a guy on his staff who can help him. he's got his recruiting aces in mccray and patrick. really needs a #2. those guys don't grow on trees but i just don't think leonard, who has been with him since memphis, is that guy.
Posted by sbrian3915
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2011
648 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 11:26 am to
It's not just LSU.

Other than Florida and Kentucky, every other school in the conference is in this same ship of mediocrity. I've seen braketology projections that have only 2 SEC schools going to the tourney.

With so many of us mired in parity, it makes me wonder just what is going on out there. Is it just coincidence that everyone sucks at the same time? I guess it is, its just weird.
Posted by S
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 11:33 am to
the whole game is watered down. hard to pinpoint what it is. some will point the finger at AAU, some at the NBA.

i dont really know what it is. im not as big a fan as i was a few years ago. i used to be glued ot my couch for big monday, super tuesday, etc. now i just casually observe.

i know our team just lacks too many fundamentals to be successful on a regular basis. add to this, the way they play away from home, insecure, unmotivated like they just expect the game to come to them is just incomprehensible to me. when i played the juices flowed so much going into a rival gym.

i just don't know. i expect us to split the tow games this week, fall out of the sec tournament and probably the NIT as well if we get in. this team just doesn't have it in them. i hope they prove me wrong the next couple of weeks though, i really really do.
Posted by KG5989
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:09 pm to
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He is an all SEC player


Yeah he is. That doesnt mean hes a great basketball player. And its not like the SEC is loaded in basketball.

And im a big supporter and fan of JOB. Tough, hard nosed, blue collar type of guy on the court. But Im not gonna say hes amazing or great. Hes a good post player. Averaging 15pts and 8 rebs this year. Last year averaged 13 and 9.

Those are good numbers. Not amazing or elite or anything like that. But good and solid numbers for a college post player. Justin Hamilton averaged 13pts and 7 rebs and was 2nd team all SEC in 2011. Mickeys averaging 13pts and 7.5 rebs this year. And has better % than JOB. And nobody says his offensive game is amazing. A lot of people say its average and is what Mickey needs to work on.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 12:16 pm
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:44 pm to
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break from the comfort zone, not be stubborn and get a guy on his staff who can help him.


JJ is less than 2 yrs into rebuilding a basketball program that was in shambles when he took it over. A program that has more than 1 NCAA tourney win in the same season twice in bout the past 20-25 yrs. A program that has had a winning record in the SEC, not exactly a power house among basketball conferences, like 5 times since 91.

Why don't we all take a chill pill and see how it plays out for another yr or 2 before declaring we know just what he he's needs to do with his staff or how he needs to run the problem.

I wasn't all that excited bout LSU taking any coach from the SBC, LSU ties or not, but we did.

We are not going to go from being less than mediocre in basketball for the most part of over 2 decades to being good or better than good in under 2 yrs.

Posted by jaguar fan
Member since Feb 2014
754 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:19 pm to
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I think losing to so many shitty teams probably has a little to do with people being upset also, but that's just a guess.

this^
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 6:04 pm to
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e are not going to go from being less than mediocre in basketball for the most part of over 2 decades to being good or better than good in under 2 yrs.


Why?

Basketball isn't like football - it can be turned around overnight with good recruiting and good coaching. No reason to not expect significant improvement this year with the freshman and experienced guys returning, but it hasn't happened. And that's on the head coach.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 6:06 pm
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