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re: LSU has Pro Style Talent on Offense but runs a Hully Gully schem
Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:37 am to Antonio Moss
Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:37 am to Antonio Moss
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Different offense.
that's my point
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:41 am to Tiger Ryno
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Its an embarrassment.
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:44 am to Choctaw
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that's my point
You think he changed our pro-style 2007 offense to the offense he's run most of the decade because he didn't trust our QBs?
Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:55 am to Antonio Moss
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You think he changed our pro-style 2007 offense to the offense he's run most of the decade because he didn't trust our QBs?
The offense he's run the last few years is not the same offense he's run when he's had good QBs that he could trust.
Look...im not taking up for him. Im just trying to come up with a reason for his ineptness. I don't think he trusts JJ and Lee and i dont think he can develop QBs....he pretty much has to be handed a good QB from the start or that someone else developed (Flynn)
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:07 am to TheOC
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But Harbaugh has instilled a seriously tough training regimen
I imagine similar to Sabans.
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John Gruden commented that they have something like 300 plays available for each game.
Yeh when I heard that i knew that would be too much for LSU athletes....but of those 300 they can't run but maybe 40 in a game when you consider repeating plays.
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If somehow Stanford can hold on to Harbaugh they could become the Duke of college football. Attracting boatloads of smart athletic players who can handle pro-style schemes that most opposing teams will have trouble coping with.
I agree with this to an extent but they still will be out talented by the top teams....and some of those teams have equal coaching.
LSU doesn't have the smartest players but Saban had a different blitz for each state when he was here so with proper coaching the LSU players can learn complex systems.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:07 am to Choctaw
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The offense he's run the last few years is not the same offense he's run when he's had good QBs that he could trust.
It's the offense he ran with John Beck (a true pro-style QB that ended up being a first rounder.)
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Look...im not taking up for him. Im just trying to come up with a reason for his ineptness.
It's quite simple. On three separate occasions he's coached his first season without fully implementing his system (not a surprise as most coordinators don't fully implement a system until the second year) with a 5th year QB. He was successful these three years.
The other seven years, he's sucked.
While he can't develop a QB, that aspect of his ineptness is a bit overrated. He's just a shitty coordinator.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:08 am to Choctaw
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You think he changed our pro-style 2007 offense to the offense he's run most of the decade because he didn't trust our QBs?
The offense he's run the last few years is not the same offense he's run when he's had good QBs that he could trust.
Look...im not taking up for him. Im just trying to come up with a reason for his ineptness. I don't think he trusts JJ and Lee and i dont think he can develop QBs....he pretty much has to be handed a good QB from the start or that someone else developed (Flynn)
I agree with this. I don't think the spread option is Crowton's first choice. It was forced on him at Oregon. We implemented a little bit of it for Perriloux, then had to implement it more for JJ.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:34 am to Topwater Trout
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John Gruden commented that they have something like 300 plays available for each game.
Yes and No.
It's sort of like the Saints. You may have 300 plays, but a lot of them are the same routes, etc. just from a different set. So you probably have close to 100 actual plays and the other 200 are the same play in a different formation.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:35 am to Antonio Moss
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It's quite simple. On three separate occasions he's coached his first season without fully implementing his system (not a surprise as most coordinators don't fully implement a system until the second year) with a 5th year QB. He was successful these three years.
The other seven years, he's sucked.
While he can't develop a QB, that aspect of his ineptness is a bit overrated. He's just a shitty coordinator.
This
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:39 am to cnote
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I don't think the spread option is Crowton's first choice. It was forced on him at Oregon.
This is 100% false.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:41 am to Tiger Ryno
quote:What's funny is that everything you say is true, and you guys all try to hang it on Gary Crowton as if this is not Les Miles football team. Les is the head coach, he either allows this to continue or is partly responsible for it. He doesn't get off the hook that easily. Yes, I agree Crowton sucks and needs to go to, but to absolve Les from all the responsibility is simply ignoring the root of the problem and allowing Les to get off scott free and blame the coordinators for all of our problems.
LSU has Pro Style Talent on Offense but runs a Hully Gully schem
Boy after watching Stanford last night and seeing what a well oiled pro=style scheme they run based on power running and play action passing and integrating lots of shifts and using the TEs to create mis-matches I just hang my head in disappointment thinking about what a sham the LSU offense is with Gary Crowton and how poorly designed and coached the LSU offense is.
What we saw last night was the offense LSU should be running to fully exploit their talent but they would need the coaches who can instill proper technique and execution.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:46 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Crowton gets paid to do a job...that job is to coordinate the offense. If the offense sucks its the coordinators job to make it not suck.
Miles gets the blame for not firing him....not for the offense.
Miles gets the blame for not firing him....not for the offense.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:51 am to Choctaw
JJ would be better running a pro style scheme?
this thread cant be serious.
this thread cant be serious.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:55 am to Lester Earl
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JJ would be better running a pro style scheme?
Jefferson would be better running a non-Gary Crowton scheme.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:16 pm to Antonio Moss
When Crowton was hired I cringed knowing he would try to change a scheme that had worked fine for almost 10 years. He comes in and doesn't know what he runs or how to recruit for it. If he stays it doesn't matter who is at Quarterback we will suck on offense.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:20 pm to Tiger Ryno
JJ is the least accurate QB in the leauge. No scheme could have changed that.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:27 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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When Crowton was hired I cringed knowing he would try to change a scheme that had worked fine for almost 10 years. He comes in and doesn't know what he runs or how to recruit for it. If he stays it doesn't matter who is at Quarterback we will suck on offense.
I'm gonna laugh when next year mett is starting and it'll be "his" fault
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:28 pm to Antonio Moss
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Jefferson would be better running a non-Gary Crowton scheme.
no he wouldn't. He blows.
for whoever said running Gary's scheme is more complex that a pro style, lol.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:33 pm to TheDoc
Let's not forget that Va Tech is a vastly overrated team. They LOST to a freakin 1-AA school and plays in a WEAK ACC conference. They should have never been allowed to play in a BCS game having lost to James Madison. How many people even know where that is?
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:35 pm to Lester Earl
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I'm gonna laugh when next year mett is starting and it'll be "his" fault
And I'm gonna cry when next year mett is starting and it'll be "his" fault.
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Jefferson would be better running a non-Gary Crowton scheme
Jefferson (and Lee) would be better if they were coached by a non-Gary Crowton QB coach.
Take for example Jimbo Fisher. Jefferson could be E.J. Manuel.
And yes. That is sig qoute material.
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