re: LSU football ranked 4th for 2019 in S&P + or Herman v. Coach O-- you decide

quote:

---

So you agree that O has turned the program around to the point of expecting the second best regular season in the last 60 years? I'd say that's exactly what you are saying. Speaks volumes about what O has accomplished.

---

It has almost everything to do with returning a senior quarterback with all the ability we need that was coached up by one of the best in the history of the game for three years.


Orgeron hasn’t “accomplished” anything other than keeping pieces in place for a quality QB to take advantage of, something we’ve been doing in BR long before O got here. That isn’t “turning anything around”.

Which is why all of the “this is the year” and “no excuses” talk from “haters” is perfectly reasonable. Things will never be set up better for O than they are this year.

We’ve always had RBs, WRs, DBs, and yes OL and DL despite what many here have tried to claim the past two years.


The one thing we’ve always been missing was quality QB play and other than bringing in an already groomed QB transfer O has done nothing to show that will be any different than it has been going forward once Burrow is gone in 2020.


The time is now

quote:

---

Dude every teams bar is set based on who they have

---

Texas has elite talent. Just like LSU

i don’t understand your point?

He took a team that went 6-7, 5-7 and 5-7 under the previous coach and won 10 games in uear 2.

SOMETHING had to improve.

And you are the one telling me a Texas was always talented, so clearly something else was off.

Or do 10 win seasons happen on their own?

My standard are pretty clear

I expect A new coach to improve the team over the coach who just got fired.

Herman has done that in a big way. O has not done it in the W and L department .

quote:

---

What conference do they play in?

---

The conference that won the Sugar bowl, with less talent on a neutral site against literally Ed Orgeron's best victory ever, which happened to be in Death Valley.

You say that Texas had the second most talent in the Big 12. Well, the finished second. LSU has, at least the third most talent in the SEC, but finished 3rd in their own division and lost to teams like Texas A&M and Florida - both having objectively less talent than LSU.

quote:

---

Where do you think LSU would end up in that conference every year?

---

2nd or 3rd. They'd make the championship game here and there. This is all assuming that they continued to have more talent than every other team in that conference like they currently do (I think more recruits would get poached out of LA if LSU was in the Big 12).

quote:

---

The conference that won the Sugar bowl, with less talent on a neutral site against literally Ed Orgeron's best victory ever, which happened to be in Death Valley

---

EXACTLY!!!

But they will be quick to tell you that the game against UGA didn't mean much. Don't you dare make the comparison that the Fiesta Bowl Win, over a G5 team, wasn't some major accomplishment though. The narrative constantly changes to fit their argument. They can't possibly argue that Orgeron is as great as they say he is, and then cut down Herman's accomplishments, without changing up the narrative constantly. Yet, they still try.

quote:

---

both having objectively less talent than LSU.

---

FLorida is at 12, A&M 16.

The talent gap between these schools is not "objectively clear" The starting 22 is virtually identical

quote:

---

FLorida is at 12, A&M 16.

The talent gap between these schools is not "objectively clear" The starting 22 is virtually identical

---

I agree. You know where the major difference between the two schools is though? COACHING.

Jimbo and Mullen are both better coaches than Orgeron. I'll believe that until proven otherwise.

quote:

---

Stop being a damn hypocrite.

---

First you set "bar or bust-- 11-1 is bar or season is a bust". Then you crawfish to "Dude, every bar takes into account extenuating circumstances"-- which completely contradicts a "bar or bust" position. So ... HELLO POT, THIS IS THE KETTLE.

But if you now believe that all circumstances matter, not just THE BAR.... welcome to the rational side.

I guess I underestimated how much the fan base believe in Queen and Phillips. They’re okay with potential to be really good to me.

Oh, look you can't bring facts to the table, so it's time for emojis.

Why don't you post their coaching careers side by side, and let's take a look.