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re: LSU fans think JD can improve, and that Nuss cant improve.

Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:50 am to
Posted by geauxtigers33
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:50 am to
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I am once again questioning why people are going so hard to make excuses for JD specifically.


I am questioning why are so many people wanting to blame him for everything when he was the most productive part of your offense the other night.

Let’s fix the other things like being able to run the ball to the right side at all, not calling the same zone run play up the middle when your o line has proven they can’t win that battle, get the receivers catch the freaking ball when it hits their hands.



Posted by ComeAtMeBurrow
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:50 am to
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I just cant handle Nuss letting it rip and throwing a 50 yard INT on 3rd and long. Would much rather a guy who has absolutely no shot to lead a comeback down by more than 1 score because he refuses to throw the ball deep and when he does it’s laughably late and underthrown. But hey, at least you don’t have to worry about him throwing an INT 50 yards down the field


SFP asked me to provide a link and like 2 minutes later this dude just made a new one forr me.
Posted by ComeAtMeBurrow
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:51 am to
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I am questioning why are so many people wanting to blame him for everything when he was the most productive part of your offense the other night.


I'm not blaming him for everything.

This sort of copy pasted strawman that paints your opponents as vindictive/malicious is a core part of the 2016+ twitter playbook.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:04 am to
Didn’t say you were but there are plenty of people that are.

I wouldn’t even be mad if Nuss played. I think he could do great things and maybe the offense would be more productive but the amount of people that have made up their minds about Daniels (in both directions) is insane.

Daniels has his flaws and they played a part in the loss Sunday. I just think this team can fix some things that will allow Daniels to be really good even with those flaws.

Nuss has flaws too they are just different and the biggest issue is his proclivity to turn the ball over. I’m not sure with this defense that’s really want you want.
Posted by ComeAtMeBurrow
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:05 am to
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Didn’t say you were but there are plenty of people that are.


Twitter playbook on display again. Justifying hysterics by pointing to boogymen.

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Nuss has flaws too they are just different and the biggest issue is his proclivity to turn the ball over. I’m not sure with this defense that’s really want you want.


How the frick do you know? Because he threw interceptions in the southern game a year ago?
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 10:07 am
Posted by mpwilging
Punta Gorda Isles, Florida
Member since Jan 2011
7032 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:09 am to
Nobody is blaming him for everything. But he is a real problem, not evolving much at all. But go die on that hill if you want...
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
12830 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:10 am to
Moscona is such an apologist for 5. It is laughable.

Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:14 am to
We know that there are several things that LSU needs to improve upon. But if you think you can improve QB play with Nuss, you do it. You don't not make that switch just because you think there are other problems as well.

Also, multiple of the points you made in your post fall somewhat on the quarterback as well.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:18 am to
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How the frick do you know? Because he threw interceptions in the southern game a year ago?


He has thrown one more TD than he has interceptions in his career. He has literally thrown an interception in every game that he has attempted 15 or more passes. I’m sorry if that makes me think he has a proclivity to turn the ball over.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:22 am to
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I am questioning why are so many people wanting to blame him for everything

Can you name 5 people who are blaming him for everything?
Posted by ComeAtMeBurrow
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:22 am to
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He has thrown one more TD than he has interceptions in his career. He has literally thrown an interception in every game that he has attempted 15 or more passes. I’m sorry if that makes me think he has a proclivity to turn the ball over.


I love that LSU fans have been conditioned to believe QBs never throw interceptions. He has a bad TD/Int ratio because he threw a lot of interceptions in the Southern game, and then was put in against the best defense in college football.
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:39 am to
That's actually a great way of putting it. We keep hearing JD will improve from the same people who bring up Nuss can't stop throwing INTs. Maybe neither can improve, but it would be nice to see a rotation if things aren't going well. So we could judge for ourselves.

However, coaches probably know their players more than fans. I don't know. I just regret they aren't willing to make a change when things aren't working for an entire half.
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
66446 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:44 am to
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I love that LSU fans have been conditioned to believe QBs never throw interceptions. He has a bad TD/Int ratio because he threw a lot of interceptions in the Southern game, and then was put in against the best defense in college football.


Right. Nuss seems like a high TD possible high INT type of QB, but I would still take more TD passes if it meant a more INTs over an entire half of not scoring at all. Or that horrible offensive showing during the Arkansas game last season.

I would take a 30 td 15 int type of QB over a QB who had 15 td passes and 2 ints.

I like an offense that isn't afraid of turning it over, because they know they can make it up. Also when you go 3 for 10 on 3rd down conversions then many of those drives are basically turnovers anyways.

I just really enjoy a passing offense where the entire offense can get in a rhythm rather than relying so heavily on one guy to scramble for firsts. Unless that guy is Cam Newton.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 10:45 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:50 am to
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SFP asked me to provide a link and like 2 minutes later this dude just made a new one forr me.

You do know he was being sarcastic, right?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
424431 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:53 am to
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We keep hearing JD will improve from the same people who bring up Nuss can't stop throwing INTs.

People don't say that Nuss can't stop throning INTs, more that his major points referenced (UGA game) defending him involve a lot of bad throws that should have been INTs. We don't know that Nuss could maintain that side of variance over a long period of time (or even a full half again).

Also, saying what I said above doesn't automatically make JD better than Nuss, either. We are all projecting based on data we have. The problem is the data used to defend Nuss is not as magical as his supporters make it out to be. Nobody is saying Nuss can't improve, but more that if/when he does, he wouldn't play like he did against UGA again.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:14 pm to
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I love that LSU fans have been conditioned to believe QBs never throw interceptions. He has a bad TD/Int ratio because he threw a lot of interceptions in the Southern game, and then was put in against the best defense in college football.


That’s fine if you think this way. I don’t necessarily agree with it and the head coach of the LSU football team doesn’t agree with it.

I’ve said I would be ok with Nuss playing and he probably would make the offense better. There are also plenty of other problems that needs to be fixed or it doesn’t matter who the QB is LSU will lose games.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4719 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 11:17 am to
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Every time JD reminds me he cant pass, I immediately see people saying "Trust me bro, any day now he's going to be Joe Burrow"

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