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Posted on 4/4/09 at 10:46 am to ironsides
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and you could build a castle with the stone in Lafell's hands.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 10:49 am to ironsides
Wow! So LaFell had "stone hands" last year?
Statements like this will make your boy, Lee, catch more flack.
He didn't do well and that's that, but to minimize it by slamming other players that lead the SEC in various categories is not cool.
Colt McCoy didn't have the offensive line Lee had. McCoy didn't have the Charles Scott or KW, nor Richard Dickson, nor Quinn Johnson, nor LaFell, Byrd, Toliver, etc. They both had about the same defense, though.
I'm not for bashing players, but "Lee supporters" do more bashing of other players when you try to make a case for not bashing Lee.
Think about it.
Statements like this will make your boy, Lee, catch more flack.
He didn't do well and that's that, but to minimize it by slamming other players that lead the SEC in various categories is not cool.
Colt McCoy didn't have the offensive line Lee had. McCoy didn't have the Charles Scott or KW, nor Richard Dickson, nor Quinn Johnson, nor LaFell, Byrd, Toliver, etc. They both had about the same defense, though.
I'm not for bashing players, but "Lee supporters" do more bashing of other players when you try to make a case for not bashing Lee.
Think about it.
This post was edited on 4/4/09 at 10:52 am
Posted on 4/4/09 at 10:50 am to Springlake Tiger
Does Lee still throw off of his back foot?..bad mechanics were part of the reason for all those pick 6's...that and bad decision making...
Posted on 4/4/09 at 10:50 am to Cajuncharger
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Just as it was for Dan Marino.
Dan Marino played 2 eras ago....maybe 3
Posted on 4/4/09 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
It's unbelievable to me how people are still bashing and trying to justify possibly one of the worst LSU qb decision makers ever.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 11:03 am to Moustache
Hmm two pages and no ones pulled the "he wouldn't have thrown so many pick sixes if the offense would have tackled the defender" defense.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 11:04 am to True Bengal
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Colt McCoy didn't have the SEC defenses Lee had to contend with.
Fixed it for you.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 11:21 am to Moustache
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It's unbelievable to me how people are still bashing and trying to justify possibly one of the worst LSU qb decision makers ever.
it's baffling.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 11:21 am to Bad Cat
Bad Cat..
I don't need your fix, but thanks.
Colt McCoy threw 18 ints against those bad Big 12 defenses. Then he torched them because he got better and smarter the next season. Will that be the case with Lee?
Many other QBs in the SEC played the same defenses that Lee did, yet they didn't throw as many Ints nor defensive TDs.
So is it really just about the defenses because if so, then every SEC QB should have served up INTs at the same rate and half of them for TDs.
How do you explain one QB standing out not only in the conference, but the nation for throwing INTs? Surely, the other SEC QBs should have had at least 16 picks as well.
I don't need your fix, but thanks.
Colt McCoy threw 18 ints against those bad Big 12 defenses. Then he torched them because he got better and smarter the next season. Will that be the case with Lee?
Many other QBs in the SEC played the same defenses that Lee did, yet they didn't throw as many Ints nor defensive TDs.
So is it really just about the defenses because if so, then every SEC QB should have served up INTs at the same rate and half of them for TDs.
How do you explain one QB standing out not only in the conference, but the nation for throwing INTs? Surely, the other SEC QBs should have had at least 16 picks as well.
This post was edited on 4/4/09 at 11:51 am
Posted on 4/4/09 at 11:41 am to True Bengal
Here's a freshman untested thrown into battle against the toughest conference in the country. RP was suppose to be the QB and the team was being groomed for him. Lee played against 3 teams ranked no. 1 in the country, the coaches shouldn't have called some of the plays for a young untested QB. Lee is a competent as McCoy (Soph)or Stafford were IMO. There will be plenty of crow for tailgates this year, but for me I'll have the pheasant.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 11:58 am to LSULANE
As I mentioned in an earlier post, support Lee, but don't do it at the expense of other players. Lee had much more talent around him on offense than Colt McCoy had.
Yes, the defenses in the SEC are tougher, but they weren't tougher just for Lee. They were tough for the other 10+ SEC QBs as well, yet they didn't serve up INTs at the same rate.
He was a RS Freshman that didn't fare as well as a True Freshman. Make all the "inexperience" comments you want for Lee, but Jefferson had at least 1-1/2 years of less experience than Lee when he stepped on the field. And yes, the coaches knew what they had at QB and still tried to take chances with Lee that they shouldn't have so they should take some responsibility for not putting him in situations to be successful or limit damage.
Lee had a bad season. End of story. Stop blaming everyone else and not giving Jefferson credit for coming right out of high school and playing decent. It's not fair to neither QB.
Hopefully, both are better this season. However, both are still young and have growth and improvements to make. One just appears to be ahead of the other.
Yes, the defenses in the SEC are tougher, but they weren't tougher just for Lee. They were tough for the other 10+ SEC QBs as well, yet they didn't serve up INTs at the same rate.
He was a RS Freshman that didn't fare as well as a True Freshman. Make all the "inexperience" comments you want for Lee, but Jefferson had at least 1-1/2 years of less experience than Lee when he stepped on the field. And yes, the coaches knew what they had at QB and still tried to take chances with Lee that they shouldn't have so they should take some responsibility for not putting him in situations to be successful or limit damage.
Lee had a bad season. End of story. Stop blaming everyone else and not giving Jefferson credit for coming right out of high school and playing decent. It's not fair to neither QB.
Hopefully, both are better this season. However, both are still young and have growth and improvements to make. One just appears to be ahead of the other.
This post was edited on 4/4/09 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 4/4/09 at 12:03 pm to True Bengal
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As I mentioned in an earlier post, support Lee, but don't do it at the expense of other players.
you should have been around when Russell had a bad game...the Bowe bashing was quite a site.
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And yes, the coaches knew what they had at QB and still tried to take chances with Lee that they shouldn't have
who were they supposed to play at QB??
Posted on 4/4/09 at 12:13 pm to tojo
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Some other qbs in the SEC threw more interceptions than Lee.
who were they?
Posted on 4/4/09 at 12:13 pm to ForeLSU
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who were they supposed to play at QB??
It's not about who they were suppose to play. It was what plays to call in certain situations based upon the QB that they were playing with.
It's game management through talent management.
This post was edited on 4/4/09 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 4/4/09 at 12:15 pm to True Bengal
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It's not about who they were suppose to play. It was what plays to call in certain situations based upon the QB that they were playing with.
agree...I mis-read your point. Bama game was a perfect example on the 1st drive. 3rd and long inside the 20 is not the time to call that play.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 12:22 pm to ForeLSU
ForeLSU...
Exactly. The Bama game is the first thing that came to mind.
I don't think that Lee was always put in a situation to be successful.
I think that a number of factors contributed to his lackluster season, but his improvement is needed and will be very important to LSU's success this season.
I don't see JJ playing all 12 or 13 games. It would be nice, but we couldn't keep a QB clean with last years "stellar" O-linemen. Now, we have ?? with the O-Line for next season.
This year's QB situation may not be head-n-shoulders better than last year's with Lee & Hatch. After the #1 and #2 QBs, we're in the same situation.
Exactly. The Bama game is the first thing that came to mind.
I don't think that Lee was always put in a situation to be successful.
I think that a number of factors contributed to his lackluster season, but his improvement is needed and will be very important to LSU's success this season.
I don't see JJ playing all 12 or 13 games. It would be nice, but we couldn't keep a QB clean with last years "stellar" O-linemen. Now, we have ?? with the O-Line for next season.
This year's QB situation may not be head-n-shoulders better than last year's with Lee & Hatch. After the #1 and #2 QBs, we're in the same situation.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 1:34 pm to True Bengal
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Wow! So LaFell had "stone hands" last year?
someone took the bait. C'mon spanish you're better than that. Posted on 4/4/09 at 2:24 pm to Elleshoe
Yeah Lee has been more comparable to JR as a RS Fr. One pass is great and the next one is awful.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 2:33 pm to ironsides
Had I recognized some of your past posts, I could have caught your age range or maturity level.
My bad for not checking before responding to you.
My bad for not checking before responding to you.
This post was edited on 4/4/09 at 2:36 pm
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