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LSU DC situation.

Posted on 10/17/20 at 11:44 am
Posted by Jake009
Hill Country
Member since Jun 2019
1756 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 11:44 am
If LSU parted way with Bo at the end of this season, what would be the chances of getting Will Muschamp? If he gets fired by USC obviously. He always seems to have a strong defense.
Posted by TigerBlitz03
New Iberia
Member since Nov 2008
831 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 11:47 am to
You dont hire backwards. Never go backwards to move forward. NEVER!!!
Posted by Jb1994
Member since Sep 2018
2116 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 11:47 am to
Possibly unpopular opinion. I dont want muschamp. To me he is another old retread from a bygone era. He may be better than bo true, but I'd rather find the NEXT great dc, instead of rolling one of our old ones back out there
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35280 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 11:48 am to
the Kentucky dc is looking pretty good atm
Posted by Jake009
Hill Country
Member since Jun 2019
1756 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 11:50 am to
I understand where you are coming from. I don’t see Will as an old washed up DC though.. He’s only in his 40’s with tons of SEC experience. Unlike poor Bo who was pulled from the bowels of obscurity back into the best conference in college football..... Bad gamble by Coach O.
Posted by GeorgeWest
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
13091 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:01 pm to
LSUAD has no money. They are having to borrow $$$ just to get through this academic year. They are not going to pay Bo Pellini $5 mil to NOT coach at LSU.
Posted by schwartzy
New Orleans
Member since May 2014
9036 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:09 pm to
We should've made Wisconsin our pipeline for DC's. The one they have right now is awesome, and we could've doubled his salary to come here.
Posted by geauxjo
Gonzales, LA
Member since Sep 2004
14746 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:09 pm to
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LSUAD has no money. They are having to borrow $$$ just to get through this academic year. They are not going to pay Bo Pellini $5 mil to NOT coach at LSU.



If LSU doesn’t get the D turned around this season and drops 5 or 6 games, (or more) you’d better believe they will FIND the money. Don’t doubt that.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
12391 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:19 pm to
LSU football has plenty of money don't be confused. If it came to it we'd out the funds together to get him out. The academic side actually borrows from the football program so this year is really no different aside from football making less
Posted by hawaiiantiger
KANEOHE, HI
Member since Jan 2010
350 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:23 pm to
Since this is an instructional year now and it's all about just playing from now on, why don't we bring in a dc now that will teach the players from now to the end? It's better than we are doing now; I see no instruction now or Defense. Essentially the same situation as a staff is replaced after regular season and a new defense coach is brought in for a bowl game 2-3 weeks away
This post was edited on 10/17/20 at 12:30 pm
Posted by Sissidog02
Member since Jan 2020
5352 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:26 pm to
I thought Woodard put the kibosh on that funding
This post was edited on 10/17/20 at 12:28 pm
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
32646 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:26 pm to
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You dont hire backwards. Never go backwards to move forward. NEVER!!!

Same train of thought that skip had when Saban wanted to come back
Posted by JTA1985
Member since Feb 2012
3197 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:30 pm to
Do not want must choke
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
12907 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

Possibly unpopular opinion. I dont want muschamp. To me he is another old retread from a bygone era. He may be better than bo true, but I'd rather find the NEXT great dc, instead of rolling one of our old ones back out there
We're stuck with Bo for now. I'll just get that out of the way.

Retreads aren't necessarily bad. But I'd rather not go that way.

Remember, Aranda had just gone from the "up and comer" phase to "established" at Wisky when we got him. In general that's the way to go.

To add to that, as far as up and comers go, there's two routes:
1. Seek out the guy behind the guy. A defensive coach who learned from a Venables (for example) who earned/wants a promotion.
2. A DC at G5 or FCS school who, specifically, is doing well in a conference with many spread or HUNH offenses. The SEC has changed. You still have to stop the run, but if you do it by taking from the back 7 you will get eaten alive.

Now, this board will want an established, experienced, with SEC pedigree, up and comer, won't leave before 17 years, and who isn't a retread.

And I want a video of a unicorn giving my ex wife a golden shower with Chris Griffin doing her from behind in the old blockbuster store to give to my lawyer.

That coach doesn't exist, just like that video (I think).

The list of names possible names is probably a very long one by the way. You have David Reeves at UAB, Zach Arnett at SDSU, our own Busch, George Edwards at the Cowboys (NFL), I'd like see Joseph Rossi in the SEC (LSU obviously). But there are many "paths" to look to pull from. For everyone I listed above, NFL, FCS/G5, another P5 conference lateral move, or promotion there's other names just as comparable from that same path.

We're all missing the big question though-
Is Orgeron willing to sacrifice his "comfort zone" to get an up and comer or take a risk?

If no, our options are limited and expect Bo to be here 2 or 3 years and to be replaced by a retread when it does happen.

If yes, the pendulum will swing away from a retread like Bo or Boom, and he'll take a chance on somebody. Next year.

Personally, I think CEO is too invested in "being comfortable" with the choice and it's going to severely limit the choices. Not that it necessarily means it won't work. But if I'm right, don't expect him to go out and find the Brady of Defense.
This post was edited on 10/17/20 at 12:39 pm
Posted by Stexas
SWLA
Member since May 2013
6016 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:36 pm to
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
59159 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:49 pm to
quote:

If LSU doesn’t get the D turned around this season and drops 5 or 6 games, (or more) you’d better believe they will FIND the money. Don’t doubt that.


Not this year. I know it’s crazy after the season we just had, but I don’t think O has the political capital to fire Pelini after just 1 season. Not in the COVID climate/economy, not after losing to MSU and Missouri and finishing with what appears to be a 4-6 season at best. But mostly because he used so much of it to get Pelini. He pushed a lot of chips in to get him, and get that ridiculous contract for him. He’s just gonna have to wear this for a while and try to make it work somehow.
Posted by geauxjo
Gonzales, LA
Member since Sep 2004
14746 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 1:09 pm to
Ok how about this....we pull a defensive “Brady” and go get a young gun defensive guru to “assist” Bo. Not nearly the financial investment and can turn it around fast. To me that just shows Os inability to make quality hires at the highest levels of our staff but we gotta do something- this whole leaning on wore out outdated coaches like E and Pellini is getting ludicrous. O even stated after Miss St that we needed to go back to some offensive concepts from the 2019 season. Seriously? Just hire young minds and let them do their thing.
Posted by Ethan Martin
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2006
1701 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 1:12 pm to
Pelini is a great coach and will turn it around. I have to put our defensive struggles on the players, they are showing no effort, no tackling and a piss poor attitude. It will turn around. They are going to makes some personnel changes and watch out.
Posted by Mister Falcon
Member since Dec 2019
435 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 1:12 pm to
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Ok how about this....we pull a defensive “Brady” and go get a young gun defensive guru to “assist” Bo. Not nearly the financial investment and can turn it around fast.


I don’t see how that’s any different from firing Pelini. Especially considering that guy seems like a total dick incapable of working with anyone else.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Member since Dec 2005
59159 posts
Posted on 10/17/20 at 1:23 pm to
quote:


Ok how about this....we pull a defensive “Brady” and go get a young gun defensive guru to “assist” Bo. Not nearly the financial investment and can turn it around fast


It’s not a terrible idea on its face, but I’m not sure Pelini has the ability to put his ego aside like E did last year. And that’s not a knock, most good coaches wouldn’t be cool with that. But there may be more input in game planning from guys like Bush and Raymond, and maybe some of the defensive analysts.

I’ve also thought it would be smart to have some of our offensive analysts self scout our defense and tell them where they see holes and where and how they would attack our defense. I always thought Miles and O before last year, should have had Aranda in on offensive meetings and give his opinion on why things may or may not work and why.

The point is they have to find a way to stop being so reactive and start being much more PROACTIVE. See things before they happen and make sure they don’t. I remember Kevin Smith telling a story about Wayne Gretzky. I don’t remember it verbatim, but the gist of it is that you don’t follow the puck, you go where the puck IS GOING TO BE. You have to be able to anticipate to be successful.
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