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re: LSU basketball 2014 predictions
Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:52 am to rzd30
Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:52 am to rzd30
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I personally didnt like some scholarship offers and still havent made up my mind on Darcy Malone gotta see him in action first, but I believe in CJJ. They jury is still out on Hammink and Collins that is why I am hesitant about Malone. Some people just assume every freshmen LSU gets should be ready to play in the SEC just isnt true, wish both could have redshirted, I know I am probably the only one but I like Collins, he works hard, has good size for a PG/SG and is a much better shooter than Chris Bass was. Not every player needs to score in double figures to be a good player.
Remains to be seen on Hammink but I think he develops into a decent player. Collins was just a stop gap player JJ needed for this year so as to not run Hickey and Stringer into the ground. I dont see him developing much, just plays way too out of control and turns it over at an alarming rate.
Everybody has pretty much said Malone is a redshirt type of guy his first year here because the transition from Aussie ball to over here will be gigantic and he's still growing/maturing while being very raw. Dont know why you think people are saying every player we get is some sort of all-star or whatever. Malone most folks say coul develop into what Del Piero is this year just be a little more agile/athletic.
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:10 pm to thunderbird1100
This class is great don't get me wrong, and for LSU standards one of the best ever. But some bandwagon fans just look at rankings and size. From the little film I have seen of Darcy Malone he isn't halfway ready for SEC play. Jordan Mickey needs to bulk up and then he could be a real dynamic player. When people say I have seen film on somebody seeing film does not mean I have just seen their highlight film, but have either seen them in person or seen a complete game on film. Jarell Martin is the real deal, Tim Quarterman is vastly underrated, and John Odo will contribute. Darcy Malone is not comparable to JOB3 in any way when they both came in.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:19 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
Like Willy cauley stein from UK. He isn't the best but he will go pro because he is unbelievabley athletic. Next season we will be capable of a sweet sixteen team. And I think we will be ranked sometime next season! Things looking up!
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:43 pm to rzd30
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Jordan Mickey needs to bulk up and then he could be a real dynamic player. When people say I have seen film on somebody seeing film does not mean I have just seen their highlight film, but have either seen them in person or seen a complete game on film. Jarell Martin is the real deal, Tim Quarterman is vastly underrated, and John Odo will contribute. Darcy Malone is not comparable to JOB3 in any way when they both came in.
This is true and that's why it's important to not lose JOB,Hickey,Stringer etc. If the new guys are able to be role players to the current nucleus, LSU will be good. If the new guys are forced to carry the load, next year will be another middle of the road team.
A decent example is how Taz Mitchell was able to give a quality contribution to the 2006 team as a freshman. He was highly touted and a good player in 2006, but he was not going to carry them to the final four.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:09 pm to rzd30
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From the little film I have seen of Darcy Malone he isn't halfway ready for SEC play.
I don't think anyone is saying he is. Well, aside from the JOB comment and I agree he isn't JOB coming in. I do think he will be as good as Del Piero almost immediately though. Just being athletic and that size will let him be valuable defensively if nothing else. We coach him up, and he should be decent for us.
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Jordan Mickey needs to bulk up and then he could be a real dynamic player
Considering he is in high school, I think bulking up is almost a non issue. He is going to fill out a little.
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arell Martin is the real deal, Tim Quarterman is vastly underrated, and John Odo will contribute
Good to see that on Quarterman. He is a guy I have been curious about. Odo will be a defensive stopper I think, which we will also need. Odo, JOB, and Martin all three rotating down low sounds real good to me.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:36 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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Roster should look something like this
1 Hickey 1 Tim Quartermain
2 Malik Morgan 2 Andre Stringer 2 Corban Collins
3 Shavon Coleman 3 Jalen Courtney 3 Shane Hammink
4 Jerell Martin 4 Jordan Mickey 4 Deng Deng
5 JOB 5 John odo 5 Darcy Malone
That's 14 players, and I can't see JOB starting at center, though he does seem to be getting better at it. I think he certainly moves to back to the 4, and Martin/Mickey rotate between the 3-4.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:37 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
... keep pumpin' ma fren , keep pumpin' ... 
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:46 pm to FamousAmos
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That's 14 players, and I can't see JOB starting at center, though he does seem to be getting better at it. I think he certainly moves to back to the 4, and Martin/Mickey rotate between the 3-4.
Yeah, keep reading. Deng Deng is probably out. I don't see how you sit either JOB or Martin, considering they should be our best talent we can put on the floor. I'd play both of them at the same time, but that is just me. Then have Odo rotate in.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:49 pm to rzd30
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I personally didnt like some scholarship offers
Which ones? Do you realize how basketball recruiting and signing periods work? It's far different from football and Johnny Jones' first true recruiting year was the one that is top ten in the county that comes in next year. Not sure how you could be upset with scholarships going out prior to that considering the time frame unless you just don't understand basketball signing periods.
Malone is the only guy that anyone could balk at, but considering he's the 5th guy on a top ten class, it's of little to no concern if we sign one guy that is more of a long-term project.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:52 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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1 Hickey 1 Tim Quartermain
2 Malik Morgan 2 Andre Stringer 2 Corban Collins
3 Shavon Coleman 3 Jalen Courtney 3 Shane Hammink
4 Jerell Martin 4 Jordan Mickey 4 Deng Deng
5 JOB 5 John odo 5 Darcy Malone
Disagree. JOB, if he stays, will play 4 with Odo at 5. Martin will play 3. Stringer will continue to start IMO at 2 and Hickey at 1. I think those are the starters. Now, I certainly believe that it's going to be a very fluid 5, such that we could see really any combination of a number of guys because so many players are interchangeable. I mean, right now, we have Malik starting at times at 3.
To me, the actual starting five is inconsequential. Mickey, Martin, Coleman, Quartermann all can play multiple positions.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:03 pm to Tiger Authority
I agree Martin could play the 3 probably. I just don't know if he isn't more effective at the 4. If he is, then like I said, I'd rather have him and JOB play the post. I agree it will be fluid, and you don't really have to have a true center per say with 2 6'9 guys down there. If Martin is just as good at the 3 position, then yeah that is the way to go. Our line up is borderline Gigantic then. lol
ETA: I'm hoping Morgan improves enough to take over the starting 2. I know that might not happen.
ETA: I'm hoping Morgan improves enough to take over the starting 2. I know that might not happen.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:06 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
It may also depend on who we're facing. At times we may need to be a little longer and we'll have Odo starting and other times we might not. Based on this year, with Del Piero starting, and the fact Odo is currently practicing with the team, it seems likely Odo will start at 5, JOB at 4, and there is no way a versatile inside/out top ten player in the country in Martin doesn't start. So he'll be 3.
And as I've said, the starters really won't matter.
And as I've said, the starters really won't matter.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:09 pm to Tiger Authority
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And as I've said, the starters really won't matter.
I've mentioned this numerous times, but If you look at the second 5 we should be able to bring in.....they still look pretty damn solid to me. The depth should be a true weapon.....especially if JJ really plans on ramping up the pace.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:11 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
I bet we press more, but only when we're using a smaller, more athletic lineup. For instance, I doubt we press as much when Martin, JOB, and Odo are on the court at the same time just because I don't think it will be as necessary. So I bet we still press, but it will really be dictated by who's on the court.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:14 pm to Tiger Authority
This also all assumes JOB comes back. I don't know what he's going to do. I can understand if he came back and left after his junior year, but I think it would be a real mistake if he were to leave after this year because he's just not ready and he won't be drafted high enough (if at all) to warrant it.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:17 pm to Tiger Authority
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I bet we press more, but only when we're using a smaller, more athletic lineup
.....like when JOB and Martin play the 4 and 5? lol. Just kidding. I really do agree these guys are going to be interchangeable. There will be times when Martin is the biggest guy on the floor I'm sure.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:19 pm to Tiger Authority
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This also all assumes JOB comes back. I don't know what he's going to do. I can understand if he came back and left after his junior year, but I think it would be a real mistake if he were to leave after this year because he's just not ready and he won't be drafted high enough (if at all) to warrant it
I just don't see him being a guarantee for the first round right now. If he came back and improved next season as much as he has from last, he could be a lottery pick. To me it is a no brainer he comes back, but you just don't know until you know.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:20 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
He's 6'8" so it's not like he's a small guy. Could easily see times when we have Martin, Mickey, Coleman, Stringer/Morgan/Quarterman, Hickey/Quarterman on the floor.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:24 pm to Tiger Authority
This is what really makes this class so special besides how goid they are is their athleticism and versatility. To start as of right now-------
PG: Hickey/ Quarterman/ Collins
SG: Stringer/ Morgan
SF: Martin/ Coleman/ Hammink
PF: O'Bryant/ Mickey/ Courtney
C: Odo/ Malone
Right now it i hard to say whether Malone will be redshirted or not, really no other center but O'Bryant has had to play it. The way Stringer has come on I would see him strring due to experience and ability to shoot the 3. Quarterman can slide over and play the two with Hickey. Malik Morgan has also been really impressive.
PG: Hickey/ Quarterman/ Collins
SG: Stringer/ Morgan
SF: Martin/ Coleman/ Hammink
PF: O'Bryant/ Mickey/ Courtney
C: Odo/ Malone
Right now it i hard to say whether Malone will be redshirted or not, really no other center but O'Bryant has had to play it. The way Stringer has come on I would see him strring due to experience and ability to shoot the 3. Quarterman can slide over and play the two with Hickey. Malik Morgan has also been really impressive.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:26 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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I just don't see him being a guarantee for the first round right now. If he came back and improved next season as much as he has from last, he could be a lottery pick. To me it is a no brainer he comes back, but you just don't know until you know.
I don't think he has the type of game that could make him a lottery pick. He's a second round type IMO that needs to improve his range away from the basket. JOB can be a very dominant player at the college level but that won't translate to the next level.
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