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re: LSU baseball long term plan..

Posted on 7/12/20 at 10:32 am to
Posted by redfish99
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 10:32 am to
Seat was getting Hot Hot Hot when Rona visited. He’s a short timer no doubt.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:16 am to
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Every team in the CWS save one will lose two games. It’s even possible for all 8 teams to lose at least two games. You can even get to the finals and lose three games. Having a record of over 500 at the CWS is extremely hard if you are a frequent visitor


That kind of logical thinking isn't accepted here. You know what most teams records are in Omaha? 0-0.

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Having said that, most that follow LSU baseball see a dip in the everyday talent and our lineup hasn’t stepped up to help our improved pitching


Agreed. There are plenty of concerns, but saying LSU was behind 8 people in the SEC before an SEC game was ever played isn't a solid argument to use.
Posted by TexasTiger88
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:25 am to
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That said, good luck finding alot of coaches with good records in omaha who are attainable, that list is quite short


While I agree that the list is short, LSU is the pinnacle of college baseball. There are not many coaches that would turn down LSU if we came knocking with a damn strong offer.
Posted by FightinTiga
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:26 am to
Replace Maineri
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:27 am to
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Agreed. There are plenty of concerns, but saying LSU was behind 8 people in the SEC before an SEC game was ever played isn't a solid argument to use.


Exactly, it’s like picking a horse race at the first turn, the Indy 500 at mile 50, or the Super Bowl champ based on the preseason records. There was a lot of baseball left.

My comments about our every day lineup were made based on the last several seasons and not just this last one. We have had issues at the plate and in the field. Too many issues to overcome pitching injuries and a tough road to Omaha.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:27 am to
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While I agree that the list is short, LSU is the pinnacle of college baseball. There are not many coaches that would turn down LSU if we came knocking with a damn strong offer


Most of the ones you really want probably would turn it down.
This post was edited on 7/12/20 at 11:29 am
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:32 am to
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Most of the ones you really want probably would turn it down.


LSU is financially strong in baseball, but even with TOPS it is hard to use that to a big advantage with the scholarship and roster rules.
With MLB draft changes it will be even tougher to stockpile talent. We will improve for sure, but so will everyone else.
This post was edited on 7/12/20 at 11:33 am
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:42 am to
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LSU is financially strong in baseball, but even with TOPS it is hard to use that to a big advantage with the scholarship and roster rules.
With MLB draft changes it will be even tougher to stockpile talent. We will improve for sure, but so will everyone else


I was replying to the poster who said any coach would just jump at the opportunity to coach at LSU. There are maybe 2-3 with a sustained success rate equal to, or better, than Mainieri. I'm not sure any of them would jump at the chance to come to LSU.

Now, I'm also not saying that there aren't a large number of coaches out there who could do better at LSU than Mainieri has. Those coaches will just be more of a roll of the dice, because they will not have proven it at this level yet. But yes, there are tons of those coaches who would come to LSU.

Mainieri is approaching the level of it being worth the risk, or maybe he is even at it now. It will not happen before next season though, unless he magically retires.
Posted by TexasTiger88
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:52 am to
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Most of the ones you really want probably would turn it down.


If you are referring to Corbin than yes I agree with you but there is more than 1 good coach out there. I def think if we really wanted to we could get Bakich, Schlossnagle, O'Sullivan, Van Horn, Savage, Fox, O'Connor or Cannizaro whom in my opinion would all be better options than Mainieri. That's just my opinion.
Posted by N2daWild
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:54 am to
I will tell you what Mainieri himself has said in interviews on the subject. Mainieri has said that he believes he has earned the right to leave on his terms. In a separate interview, very recently, he said that he still has a few years left.

Let's also look at a few facts. There is no dynasty in baseball. Even Vandy with their scholarship advantage can not accomplish a dynasty.

Mainieri is going to look less passionate than Coach O or Wade because baseball is just different. Baseball will always have more conserative fans and coaches.

LSU baseball is no dumpster fire. The talent is there.

Woodward is not going to yank a legendary Coach with a talented team and replace him with someone that has a worse resume'. The risk/reward would not favor Woodward in that situation. If the sucessor was more succesful he would look like a genius, but the odds are low for that. The safest bet for Woodward would be to stick with Mainieri a few more years and still be a upper tier program.

The reality is, Mainieri is not on the hot seat. If he has a miserable season next year, he will be on it. If he wins the Natty, he will retire under his own terms, like he said. The most likely scenario will be that we have a successful season but no Natty and we continue with the status quo.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 12:00 pm to
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LSU baseball is no dumpster fire. The talent is there


It’s been underwhelming since they were runner up in 17’.

His roster construction has been poor. He went they a whole season without a left handed pitcher lol.

His position player recruiting has not been up to LSU standards either.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 12:15 pm to
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Cannizaro


Stopped taking you serious right there.

And plenty of your others would not just up and leave for LSU.
This post was edited on 7/12/20 at 12:16 pm
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 12:25 pm to
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It’s been underwhelming since they were runner up in 17’.

His roster construction has been poor. He went they a whole season without a left handed pitcher lol.

His position player recruiting has not been up to LSU standards either.

Two years of blah plus a part of a season isn’t going take out PM and his generous contract that we cant afford to eat even if we wanted to do that.

College athletics is in a bad spot. The last thing the AD is thinking about is hiring a baseball coach and eating millions of dollars. Then there’s the rules changes in the overall sport that will cause change.

PM is safe for now. He’s got at a minimum of two seasons unless he decides to step down.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 12:36 pm to
I’m not saying he isn’t safe.

I’m saying he’s shown a clear downward trajectory
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 12:40 pm to
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His position player recruiting has not been up to LSU standards either.



That seems like it turned the corner this year but I do agree with this somewhat.

But on the other hand I don’t know if it’s the recruiting that’s lacked or the hitting coaches.

However I think Eddie Smith is the real deal and we brought in some stud position players this year. We’ll see if it pays off
Posted by teetime
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2008
301 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 12:52 pm to
After the 2021 season, Mainieri will turn 64 in August..how much longer do you keep the highest paid underachieving head coach at LSU...
Posted by DaBeerz
Member since Sep 2004
18305 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 1:14 pm to
Most new AD’s want their own coach...baseball has passed PM. Guessing Blake dean will be new coach
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
26411 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 1:17 pm to
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Guessing Blake dean will be new coach


What in the hell has Blake Dean done? I swear Canni and Dean are the only two coaches that some of you know. One has never done much of anything on the college level and is now coaching high school, the other can't get many wins at UNO, playing nobody. But yeah... Let's run Mainieri out of town to "upgrade" the coaching staff. Incredible.
Posted by teetime
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 1:27 pm to
When that time comes I'm sure Woodward will make the position the highest paid. So everyone should be on the table except for Corbin at Vandy in my opinion.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 1:30 pm to
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When that time comes I'm sure Woodward will make the position the highest paid. So everyone should be on the table except for Corbin at Vandy in my opinion


There isn't going to be many people hired anywhere in college athletics for the next few years that are the highest paid anything.
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