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re: LSU #6 in USA Today PreSeason Top 25
Posted on 8/3/08 at 11:00 pm to Volvagia
Posted on 8/3/08 at 11:00 pm to Volvagia
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Any truth to those rumors?
I remember hearing something to this effect, but I tried to read the newspapers as little as possible after the UCLA disaster. I know people were shocked and excited in the area that LSU had sold their tickets so quickly. The city of Pasadena and the business community have a big stake in the process and a lot of power
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Posted on 8/3/08 at 11:05 pm to usc6158
quote:No, Texas was 4th in the final BCS rankings. As I pointed out above, that guaranteed Texas one of the at-large spots. With the other at-large spot guaranteed to Utah by virtue of their #6 final BCS ranking, there was no slot available to invite Cal (or any other Pac 10 team) to face Michigan.
Not true. In 2004 Texas was ranked behind Cal with USC in the BCS title game but was invited probably because Pasadena wanted the tourism money.
The line you quoted from my post, however, was regarding the 2006 season, when there was talk of LSU going to the Rose Bowl to face SC because both Michigan and Ohio State might be in the National Championship Game leaving no Big 10 team available for the Rose to invite as SC's opponent. Then, once Florida got in instead of Michigan, the Rose invited Michigan and that was that.
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Posted on 8/3/08 at 11:09 pm to King Joey
ah you're right about Cal. I forgot that the entire Big-12 had rated them like 10 or something around there in the coaches poll to get Texas ahead of them
Posted on 8/3/08 at 11:38 pm to Volvagia
quote:Not really. There may have been some talk of LSU going to the Rose against Michigan that I missed (we didn't get it anywhere around DC, and I don't recall seeing any discussion here other than the possibility of facing SC). But if SC had gone to the National Championship Game, there would have been no at-large spots available for any other Pac 10 team to take their place. So if either SC or Michigan went to the National Championship Game, the Rose would be forced into something other than it's traditional Big 10/Pac 10 matchup. That being the case, LSU was the most appealing option out there.
Those annoying things like history and facts disagree with you
Interestingly, the only scenario that presents the Rose Bowl with the freedom to choose it's traditional matchup without requiring them to do so was exactly the one that occurred: a Big 10 or Pac 10 champion in the National Championship Game (Ohio State), with at-large candidates available both from the conference in the Championship Game (Michigan) and from other conferences (Boise State, Notre Dame, LSU) available. And, presented with that situation, they chose their traditional Pac 10/Big 10 matchup exactly as they have every time it has been available to them.
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Posted on 8/3/08 at 11:48 pm to King Joey
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Not really.
And then you go ahead and take a 190 on your original postion without batting an eye?
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with at-large candidates available both from the conference in the Championship Game (Michigan) and from other conferences (Boise State, Notre Dame, LSU) available. And, presented with that situation, they chose their traditional Pac 10/Big 10 matchup exactly as they have every time it has been available to them.
As has already been beaten to death, when UF went to the national title the Rose no longer HAD LSU as an option. The rules basically forbid it.
So their choices were 1)Mid-Major Cindarella, 2)One of the lower ranked at-larges who was presumed to be beat regardless of which bowl they played, and ended up I believe to be the last team picked period out of any BCS team, or 3) a historical powerhouse that many at the time think has a serious argument to be in the national championship game.
Yeah, I can clearly see how obvious the "tradition" argument of theirs overrided all logic and reason. They shoulda gone for the better bowl game matchup.
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Posted on 8/3/08 at 11:59 pm to Volvagia
quote:No, I didn't. My original position was that the LSU to the Rose talk was never about a situation where the Rose would have a chance to choose their traditional Big 10/Pac 10 matchup, but would choose LSU instead. There's no indication (at least none that I've found) that suggests that was ever contemplated.
And then you go ahead and take a 190 on your original postion without batting an eye?
quote:The point is that until Florida went to the National Championship Game the traditional Big 10/Pac 10 matchup was not possible, forcing the Rose to take a "best available" team; which, in that case, was clearly LSU.
As has already been beaten to death, when UF went to the national title the Rose no longer HAD LSU as an option. The rules basically forbid it.
But you disagree, so show us where there was any indication that the Rose Bowl -- with an opportunity to pick a Big 10/Pac 10 matchup -- wanted to pick a non-Big 10 or Pac 10 team because that team would make a better bowl game.
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Posted on 8/4/08 at 12:02 am to Volvagia
quote:And, of course, that is not necessarily true. We don't know if LSU was an option for them or not because we don't know if they ever asked the Sugar for permission, or if the Sugar would have said okay even if they did ask. We can be pretty confident the Sugar would not have agreed, but we really don't know. And in no event was LSU barred from the Rose by rule. At most, they were simply denied permission by the Sugar.
As has already been beaten to death, when UF went to the national title the Rose no longer HAD LSU as an option. The rules basically forbid it
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Posted on 8/4/08 at 12:47 am to Volvagia
quote:I think I see what you're getting at now, but it looks like you are missing my point.
Michigan's season is done, and USC has just UCLA ahead of them. And USC is ranked higher than Michigan.
The week before the conference championship games and the SC/UCLA game, there was a lot of talk of LSU going to the Rose Bowl. At that point, there was no way the Rose Bowl could get their traditional Pac 10/Big 10 matchup unless Florida got into the National Championship Game which would pretty much require both SC losing and Florida jumping over Michigan. When SC lost to UCLA (basically eliminating them from National Championship Game consideration), the only question then was whether Florida would leapfrog Michigan and be in the Championship Game against OSU -- which would allow the Rose to have their traditional matchup. So what I was getting at was that once SC lost to UCLA, the Rose still would be forced to take a non-traditional at-large (which would have been LSU) unless Florida jumped ahead of Michigan. That move -- Florida jumping over Michigan -- was the final move necessary to open the door and allow the Rose their traditional Big 10/Pac 10 matchup. Which, of course, they chose.
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