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Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:01 pm to lesgeaux
I liked how the NYTs would put "L.S.U.", made us sound classy.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:26 pm to Zappas Stache
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:30 pm to Salviati
It’d be much cooler if it was.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:06 pm to tigerfan in bamaland
Salviati go away, you do not know what your talking about the educators at LSU at the time of the early 1890's.
David French Boyd is one of the main reason LSU ended up nickname the Louisiana Tigers.
Major Chatham Roberdeau Wheat's 1st Special Battalion, Louisiana Volunteer Infantry is where the name comes from, not the earlier Washington Artillery's Tigers. The 7th Louisiana Volunteer Infantry as had kapi's with the walking Tiger on them.
When Major Wheat is killed on the field of battle at Battle of Gaines's Mill in June 1862, David Boyd is one of the persons that helped burry him on the field that night.
Hay's Louisiana Brigade renamed themselves "The Louisiana Tigers" this was to honor Major Wheat and the Tigers.
In the early 1890's many of the veterans of the war had connections at LSU.
There was no doubt the team was going to be named the Louisiana Tigers at the time.
LSU's first life mascot is not a Tiger btw.
I would suggest you go to LSU read the letters of David French Boyd and the letters of the soldiers in the LSU archives. read the connections of the Louisiana Tigers to all the named players in the early 1890's at LSU.
I have photocopies of these...
Nice one I have is about New Orleans Baseball teams in 1860-1 from Lt. Brewer who is a member of the Washington Artillery killed in August 1862. And remember the Washington Artillery is called Tigers even back to the Mexican War.
David French Boyd is one of the main reason LSU ended up nickname the Louisiana Tigers.
Major Chatham Roberdeau Wheat's 1st Special Battalion, Louisiana Volunteer Infantry is where the name comes from, not the earlier Washington Artillery's Tigers. The 7th Louisiana Volunteer Infantry as had kapi's with the walking Tiger on them.
When Major Wheat is killed on the field of battle at Battle of Gaines's Mill in June 1862, David Boyd is one of the persons that helped burry him on the field that night.
Hay's Louisiana Brigade renamed themselves "The Louisiana Tigers" this was to honor Major Wheat and the Tigers.
In the early 1890's many of the veterans of the war had connections at LSU.
There was no doubt the team was going to be named the Louisiana Tigers at the time.
LSU's first life mascot is not a Tiger btw.
I would suggest you go to LSU read the letters of David French Boyd and the letters of the soldiers in the LSU archives. read the connections of the Louisiana Tigers to all the named players in the early 1890's at LSU.
I have photocopies of these...
Nice one I have is about New Orleans Baseball teams in 1860-1 from Lt. Brewer who is a member of the Washington Artillery killed in August 1862. And remember the Washington Artillery is called Tigers even back to the Mexican War.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:12 pm to tigger1
Salviati also the article your using is not well researched, as LSU baseball used the purple and gold first.
There is also the Tiger statue that was on Thomas Boyd's desk in the 1890's until Smith was forced to resign in 1939, it was passed down president to president and sat on the president's desk. That statue of the Tiger is in the LSU archives(I have photographs of it).
Also LSU tried to field a football team in 1892, but could not due to lack of players coming out to join the team.
Coates' was a minor player in the name of the team, this was campus wide (old campus where the state capital is today).
Read the local newspapers of Baton Rouge and New Orleans 1892-93.
There is also the Tiger statue that was on Thomas Boyd's desk in the 1890's until Smith was forced to resign in 1939, it was passed down president to president and sat on the president's desk. That statue of the Tiger is in the LSU archives(I have photographs of it).
Also LSU tried to field a football team in 1892, but could not due to lack of players coming out to join the team.
Coates' was a minor player in the name of the team, this was campus wide (old campus where the state capital is today).
Read the local newspapers of Baton Rouge and New Orleans 1892-93.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:13 pm to tigger1
Dear Dumbfrick,
It is YOU who does not know what the frick you are talking about.
How The Tigers Got Their Name - Dr. Charles Coates
The guy who started the football team, the team's first coach, the guy who came up with the name . . . Dr. Charles Coates . . . he is the one who said it was named after the animal, not the Confederal unit.
The man who came up with the idea said that it "was the custom at that time . . . to call football teams by the names of vicious animals."
"It struck me that purple and gold looked Tigerish enough and I suggested that we choose "Louisiana Tigers," all in conference with the boys."
Criteria for mascot: vicious animal
The LSU uniforms looked: "Tigerish"; therefore, the coach and players chose "Tigers."
Yes, there were Louisiana military units named the Tigers that predated the Civil War.
Yes, the tiger head symbol came from the Washington Artillery of New Orleans, a militia unit that traces its history back to the 1830s.. The Washington Artillery had a logo that featured a snarling tiger's head similar to that which adorns LSU's football helmet.
But according to THE GUY, the "Tigers" are named after the animal, not a fricking Confederate unit.
It is YOU who does not know what the frick you are talking about.
How The Tigers Got Their Name - Dr. Charles Coates
The guy who started the football team, the team's first coach, the guy who came up with the name . . . Dr. Charles Coates . . . he is the one who said it was named after the animal, not the Confederal unit.
quote:LSU made the official mascot a Bengal Tiger back in 1936.
It was the custom at that time, for some occult reason, to call football teams by the names of vicious animals; the Yale Bulldogs and the Princeton Tigers, for example. This is still the vogue. It struck me that purple and gold looked Tigerish enough and I suggested that we choose "Louisiana Tigers," all in conference with the boys. The Louisiana Tigers had represented the state in Civil War and had been known for their hard fighting.
The man who came up with the idea said that it "was the custom at that time . . . to call football teams by the names of vicious animals."
"It struck me that purple and gold looked Tigerish enough and I suggested that we choose "Louisiana Tigers," all in conference with the boys."
Criteria for mascot: vicious animal
The LSU uniforms looked: "Tigerish"; therefore, the coach and players chose "Tigers."
Yes, there were Louisiana military units named the Tigers that predated the Civil War.
Yes, the tiger head symbol came from the Washington Artillery of New Orleans, a militia unit that traces its history back to the 1830s.. The Washington Artillery had a logo that featured a snarling tiger's head similar to that which adorns LSU's football helmet.
But according to THE GUY, the "Tigers" are named after the animal, not a fricking Confederate unit.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:16 pm to Salviati
Salviati lol you really do not know the history of Baton Rouge, the people, the University, the state. The football team or Dr. Coates.
The article you are using is not well researched like near all newspaper articles.
Once you start researching a little you will realize how bad the article is on the subject.
The article you are using is not well researched like near all newspaper articles.
Once you start researching a little you will realize how bad the article is on the subject.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:22 pm to tigger1
Dear Dumbfrick,
Please tell us more about how the LSU football team became the Tiger because of Boyd.
David Boyd was NOT even at LSU in 1893 when the football team formed. He was replaced as President in 1887, and he and his brother left LSU in 1888, FIVE YEARS before the team was formed.
The relevant part of the magazine article I quoted was a quote from a letter written by Dr. Coates.
But, yeah, I don't know the history of Baton Rouge, the people the University, the state.
quote:Oh, please enlighten us all with your brilliance.
Salviati lol you really do not know the history of Baton Rouge, the people the University, the state. The football team are Dr. Coates.
The article you are using is not well researched like near all newspaper articles.
Once you start researching a little you will realize how bad the article is on the subject.
Please tell us more about how the LSU football team became the Tiger because of Boyd.
David Boyd was NOT even at LSU in 1893 when the football team formed. He was replaced as President in 1887, and he and his brother left LSU in 1888, FIVE YEARS before the team was formed.
The relevant part of the magazine article I quoted was a quote from a letter written by Dr. Coates.
But, yeah, I don't know the history of Baton Rouge, the people the University, the state.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:23 pm to tigger1
Salviati, just for information, I am the one that has researching LSU football (and sports0 since the early 1970's.
I started researching the Death Valley debate with Clemson before 1971.
Go trust a writer that has no knowledge of the players in 1893, the vote on the team nickname etc.
Just for information Florida's first nickname was The Rats, Miss. St. The Blacksmiths, Arkansas the Cardinals.
I been at this a very long time.
I started researching the Death Valley debate with Clemson before 1971.
Go trust a writer that has no knowledge of the players in 1893, the vote on the team nickname etc.
Just for information Florida's first nickname was The Rats, Miss. St. The Blacksmiths, Arkansas the Cardinals.
I been at this a very long time.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:26 pm to tigger1
quote:You're clearly not very good at the LSU part if you rely on Boyd, and if you don't recognize quotes from the man who formed the team.
Salviati, just for information, I am the one that has researching LSU football (and sports0 since the early 1970's.
I started researching the Death Valley debate with Clemson before 1971.
Go trust a writer that has no knowledge of the players in 1893, the vote on the team nickname etc.
Just for information Florida's first nickname was The Rats, Miss. St. The Blacksmiths, Arkansas the Cardinals.
I been at this a very long time.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:30 pm to Salviati
quote:
David Coates was NOT even at LSU in 1893 when the football team formed. He was replaced as President in 1887, and he and his brother left LSU in 1888, FIVE YEARS before the team was formed.
The relevant part of the magazine article I quoted was a quote from a letter written by Dr. Coates.
It is David French Boyd not Coates, David had left LSU but was the major player in the nickname debate, and there was no real debate. Everyone favorited the Louisiana Tigers.
The article is not well researched, like I said read the newspapers at the time.
Thomas Boyd is David's brother.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:33 pm to tigger1
quote:David Boyd had been gone for five years when the Tigers were named. Coates was the guy who formed the team. He was the first head coach. He was the reason "Tigers" was chosen.
It is David French Boyd not Coates, David had left LSU but was the major player in the nickname debate, and there was no real debate. Everyone favorited the Louisiana Tigers.
The article is not well researched, like I said read the newspapers at the time.
Thomas Boyd is David's brother.
quote:The quote is directly from Dr. Charles Coates.
The article is not well researched, like I said read the newspapers at the time.
quote:Good, you're learning. They both left LSU in 1888. The LSU football team was formed in 1893. FIVE YEARS after they left.
Thomas Boyd is David's brother.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:46 pm to tigerinridgeland
Except for maybe the NY Times, which comically uses “L. S. U.” In their stories.
Funny shite.
Funny shite.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:47 pm to Salviati
Direct quote from the article:
Upon his arrival in 1893, Coates noticed the lack of athletics and hastily helped assemble a football team to play Tulane that year. When searching for colors, he went to Reymond's on the corner of Third and Main in Baton Rouge to buy colored ribbons to adorn the uniforms. The store had plenty of purple and gold but the other Mardi Gras color, green, had not arrived
That is wrong, as the baseball team had used purple and gold first.
The green and blue ribbons had sold out, I wonder if it had to due with Tulane colors.
I can break it down more if needed.
LSU football did not play in purple and gold for a long time. LSU official colors are blue and white at the time.
Even as late as 1912 LSU played football in Blue, Khaki and white.
The varsity letter jackets are in purple and or Gold.
Before the 1908 season LSU bought new uniforms, that is the first season of the blue.
Khaki and white are the normally before that date. LSU ends in 1910 wore white to stand out on the field to receive the pass. The rest wore a Khaki color.
Upon his arrival in 1893, Coates noticed the lack of athletics and hastily helped assemble a football team to play Tulane that year. When searching for colors, he went to Reymond's on the corner of Third and Main in Baton Rouge to buy colored ribbons to adorn the uniforms. The store had plenty of purple and gold but the other Mardi Gras color, green, had not arrived
That is wrong, as the baseball team had used purple and gold first.
The green and blue ribbons had sold out, I wonder if it had to due with Tulane colors.
I can break it down more if needed.
LSU football did not play in purple and gold for a long time. LSU official colors are blue and white at the time.
Even as late as 1912 LSU played football in Blue, Khaki and white.
The varsity letter jackets are in purple and or Gold.
Before the 1908 season LSU bought new uniforms, that is the first season of the blue.
Khaki and white are the normally before that date. LSU ends in 1910 wore white to stand out on the field to receive the pass. The rest wore a Khaki color.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:49 pm to tigger1
quote:This is the letter written by the founder and first coach of the LSU football team, Dr. Charles Coates, explaining how the name "Tigers" was chosen: LSU Sports
The article is not well researched, like I said read the newspapers at the time.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:52 pm to Jay Quest
We are unfortunately too woke now to use “Fighting Tigers” we will be lucky to keep Tigers for a mascot
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:01 pm to Salviati
LOL This is same quotes.
LSU sport information is not a good place to look for real research.
The only reason you see the LSU all time steal, assist, block shot list in the basketball guide is because someone did the research. I wonder who did that in the mid 1980's (it was done to show Pete was a passer as well as a scorer).
LSU sport information used to have the myth of the Donaldsonville artillery being the starting the Louisiana Tiger nickname. The first time I posted on the Louisiana Tigers and Wheat was 1981/2 in the Tiger Rag.
Until you start to do the real research on the subject and not depend on others, please read the old papers and the school paper.
Many articles on the LSU site are by students.
LSU sport information is not a good place to look for real research.
The only reason you see the LSU all time steal, assist, block shot list in the basketball guide is because someone did the research. I wonder who did that in the mid 1980's (it was done to show Pete was a passer as well as a scorer).
LSU sport information used to have the myth of the Donaldsonville artillery being the starting the Louisiana Tiger nickname. The first time I posted on the Louisiana Tigers and Wheat was 1981/2 in the Tiger Rag.
Until you start to do the real research on the subject and not depend on others, please read the old papers and the school paper.
Many articles on the LSU site are by students.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:05 pm to The Hurricane
It was before the 80s for sure
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:11 pm to tigger1
quote:You are dumber than a box of rocks.
LOL This is same quotes.
LSU sport information is not a good place to look for real research.
The only reason you see the LSU all time steal, assist, block shot list in the basketball guide is because someone did the research. I wonder who did that in the mid 1980's (it was done to show Pete was a passer as well as a scorer).
LSU sport information used to have the myth of the Donaldsonville artillery being the starting the Louisiana Tiger nickname. The first time I posted on the Louisiana Tigers and Wheat was 1981/2 in the Tiger Rag.
Until you start to do the real research on the subject and not depend on others, please read the old papers and the school paper.
Many articles on the LSU site are by students.
Truly.
The LSU Sports link I provided is not an article written by LSU sports information.
It's not an article at all.
It is the letter written by Dr. Charles Coates, the first head coach of LSU's football team, the man who formed the team, the man who chose "Tigers" because it was the tradition "to call football teams by the names of vicious animals" and the purple and gold on the LSU football team made them look "Tigerish."
It's not research. It's not an interpretation. It's straight from the proverbial horse's mouth. It's from THE MAN who was there and chose the name.
You cannot provide a more direct source of information.
And, guess what, you haven't.
Instead, you rely on David Boyd who resigned in 1887. David and Thomas Boyd left LSU in 1888, FIVE YEARS before the team was formed in 1893.
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