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re: Letter to the Advocate editor regarding Jordan Jefferson

Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:16 am to
Posted by lctiger
Member since Oct 2003
3432 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:16 am to
I cant figure out why everyone is so damn concerned about public opinion and what ESPN might say. If I am an LSU administrator and I have a kid that has been a model student athlete like Johns or Jefferson and never been a problem in the past, at some point I'm gonna take up for the kid.

I feel like Miles had no choice but to suspend once the arrest occured. I also feel that the arrest occured not because BRPD found the smoking gun but because they wanted to pass the buck to the DA office who now wants to pass the buck to grand jury.

Can anyone in this situation show some nuts and make a decision on what they feel is right instead of making decisions all based on public perception.
Posted by ffhouston
The Woodlands
Member since Sep 2007
4003 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:18 am to
Lets cut to the chase: If JJ is reinstated, CLM has every right to NOT name him QB1.

In that scenario, why would JJ be so eager to use up his eligibility standing on the sidelines, wearing a headset?

Yes, CLM has platooned QBs in the past, but he's given the strong impression all offseason that he didn't want to split snaps in that manner in 2011.
Posted by Milk
central
Member since May 2010
1270 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:19 am to
I have been racking my brain for one college athlete that was allowed to participate in sports after being arrested on a felony charge and before adjudication (maybe someone can list one or two). I thought I read somewhere that the suspension was automatic in NCAA.

I have no dog in this race. I do love LSU, but I don't ever want to win with a felon. On the other side I never want to see an innocent person go to jail.

The grand jury will get this as Hillar Moore is too afraid to make a decision on this as it would affect his re-election no matter which way he went.

Chicken you used a lot of big words +1, but allowing Jefferson to play (if that is even possible) would put LSU in a bad light.

Sad fact is if the grand jury goes with 2nd degree battery against Jefferson he is done at LSU. His laywer will drag the case out for at least a year.

edit: ditto for Johns (see I care)
This post was edited on 8/31/11 at 11:23 am
Posted by TigerAlumni2010
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
4751 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:20 am to
Miles seemed to receive a lot of criticism for not suspending Jefferson and the other players until the BRPD arrested the players. Miles needed to suspend Jefferson and Johns after the charges were filed. I feel Miles handled the situation the best he could under the circumstances.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10344 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:20 am to
quote:

Joe Alleva has experience in controversy, and it’s not a laudable track record. He was the athletic director for Duke University in 2006 when four Lacrosse players were accused of rape. At that juncture Mr. Alleva jumped to conclusion and prematurely determined that the Duke student-athletes were guilty of the crime against a female prostitute. Joe Alleva accepted her dubious testimony over that of the boys and that of their supporting head coach. Further, Alleva forced the resignation of the Duke Lacrosse coach, after he had promised to stand by him as the investigation proceeded in its normal, deliberate course. In this case, according to the coach, Alleva broke a solemn pledge to one of his coaches and exercised notably poor judgment by jumping to conclusion without the benefit of conclusive evidence. He acted on a hunch—and it cost him, and the university—big time. Does anyone else notice a trend in Mr. Alleva’s reactions?


One hell of a "cover your own arse" individual/actions if you ask me.

Personally, I do not know when/if JJ should be reinstated. You got it right..the facts need to speak first and the actions then to follow as to any criminal action. As far as Coach miles and the suspension, I defer to him, I do not have the facts.
No need for this to be a CYA process.
Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
8184 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:21 am to
quote:

isn't chris warner the guy who use to write articles for this site, and books about LSU Also?


That's him. His last post on TD got him lamb basted for having inaccurate info. I know Chris personally, he's an OK guy but sometimes he just gets on a mental tangent and can't see the other side of an issue.

Although I agree with most of this letter, he again fails to acknowlege the statements of CLM that his intentions towards Jordan are based on his interest that 1. Jordan be able to focus on defending himself in the legal process (as jailtime weighs more heavily that football) and 2. that his team be able to focus on football rather than Jordan's legal problems.

There's 3 sides to every story Chris.
This post was edited on 8/31/11 at 11:26 am
Posted by The Third
Temple, Texas
Member since Jan 2010
145 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:22 am to
Well written letter. But the bottom line is that we live in the "real world". LSU's AD and HC would much rather besmirch a few athletes than have ESPN's cameras being focused on the protests of "Marine's Moms" picketing Cowboy's Stadium on September 3.


We need to realize we have never, do not and never will live in a truly "fair" world.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49047 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:22 am to
quote:

I have been racking my brain for one college athlete that was allowed to participate in sports after being arrested on a felony charge


Really?

JoePa did it in 2000.
Posted by Prodigal Tiger
Upper West Side, New York City
Member since Aug 2005
1882 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:22 am to
quote:

Dear Editor,

I am an LSU graduate living in exile in Fairhope, Alabama. Like many avid alumni here I watch and read with great interest everything related to our revered LSU Football team. Today we exist in the throes of the budding Information Age; which is both a blessing, and an apparent curse.

Last week was difficult for Tiger fans. They watched the investigation of a routine bar fracas escalate into the hunt for Bin Laden, ending with the surreal confiscation of 49 pairs of Jordan Jefferson’s tennis shoes and the pervasive swabbing of his mouth for DNA.

Police officers are commissioned to exercise discretion while protecting and serving under the U.S. Constitution and its subsequent, ratified amendments. Particularly, the fourteenth amendment guarantees equal protection under the law, regardless of race, religion or national origin—even if the person in question is a high-profile college athlete of the Internet age.

Rarely do bar fight investigations draw such scrutiny. However, given the sensational impact of the 24-hour news cycle on ongoing college sports coverage, an otherwise mundane incident became the cause celeb du jour on the eve of college football’s anticipated kickoff; which brings me to my point.

The early, incident-related comments from LSU’s athletic director, Joe Alleva, chimed accusatory. Consider his recorded statement:

“We will not tolerate student athletes whose irresponsible actions tarnish the good name of a great university. LSU student athletes are expected to behave with the understanding that they represent their school, their fellow students and the long history of this program, regardless of the time of day.

“Coach Miles has already begun taking disciplinary action. It is critical that we are deliberate in determining the facts regarding this incident, and as Coach Miles said, when the facts are clear, additional and appropriate action will be taken if necessary.”

Joe Alleva has experience in controversy, and it’s not a laudable track record. He was the athletic director for Duke University in 2006 when four Lacrosse players were accused of rape. At that juncture Mr. Alleva jumped to conclusion and prematurely determined that the Duke student-athletes were guilty of the crime against a female prostitute. Joe Alleva accepted her dubious testimony over that of the boys and that of their supporting head coach. Further, Alleva forced the resignation of the Duke Lacrosse coach, after he had promised to stand by him as the investigation proceeded in its normal, deliberate course. In this case, according to the coach, Alleva broke a solemn pledge to one of his coaches and exercised notably poor judgment by jumping to conclusion without the benefit of conclusive evidence. He acted on a hunch—and it cost him, and the university—big time. Does anyone else notice a trend in Mr. Alleva’s reactions?

The four Duke Lacrosse players were eventually exonerated in a court of law and each received a multi-million dollar defamation settlement, as their names had been unfairly dragged through the muddy kangaroo court of public opinion—presided over by the hardly impartial, self-appointed, Judge Joe Alleva.

When one carefully reads the aforementioned prepared statement by LSU’s “highly successful” athletic director (the LSU website’s dubious description of his Blue Devil tenure), you sense the same lack of sensitivity to the truth and respect for the wholly American notion of being innocent until proven guilty that irrevocably tarnished Alleva’s theretofore professional reputation. How this incident was casually overlooked by the LSU Board of Supervisors during his hiring and confirmation process remains a mystery as big as what really happened in the morning twilight outside Shady’s bar over a week ago, and further, what the true motivations are by those in power who machinate to serve their own selfish political agenda.

In defense of LSU’s much-maligned quarterback, Jordan Jefferson, it does not take a constitutional lawyer to realize that he has not received due process. Further, Coach Miles has, in my opinion, prematurely rendered punishment, as it is not certainly known whether Jefferson is guilty of the alleged battery charges. Perhaps Mr. Alleva’s noted, knee-jerk preference for doing what he feels is “politically correct,” has affected the situation?

Like in the Duke rape imbroglio, it is my belief that Jordan Jefferson, if found not guilty of battery by additional, exculpatory evidence put forth by his new attorney, Lewis Unglesby, has a possible ripe libel lawsuit in the making, as it appears that local law enforcement and the LSU brass, for whatever selfish motivation, have already rendered him guilty as charged.

Moving forward after this week, Jordan Jefferson should be reinstated, as it is his senior season, and as such, his eligibility clock is ticking. If he is not allowed to play, Jordan Jefferson, like the former wrongly-accused Duke student athletes, could wind up being a millionaire at the expense of the taxpayers, resulting from the poorly exercised judgment of a few administrative “professionals.”

Christopher E. Warner, Ph.D.



I knew it was that guy's labored writing as soon as I started reading. He insists on trying to use big words, but he uses them too often and incorrectly. Here are the words, in order, he should have whacked from his letter:

in exile. . Like many avid alumni here. . .revered. . .the throes of the. . .surreal. .tennis. . .pervasive. . .subsequent, ratified. . .of the internet age. . .sensational. . . on ongoing. . .cause celeb du jour. . . anticipated. . .early, incident-related. . .

I'm going to stop now. But I cannot read another passage from this author without commenting.

Yes, I mad.

ETA: I'm going to keep going

"former wrongly-accused" should be "falsely accused"

"poorly exercised judgment" should be "poor judgment"

"by additional, exculpatory evidence put forth by his new attorney, Lewis Unglesby" should be eliminated entirely. It should just say "If found not guilty, has a . . ."
This post was edited on 8/31/11 at 11:30 am
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:23 am to
While I don't agree with all of the letter writer's points, there is one point he makes that I do agree with...NO LSU player in good standing with the school and the legal system should lose their Sr year or a good part of it cause of a police arrest over a bar room fight in which everyone walks away from that will take 6 months or more to resolve and probably never sees the light of day in a count room as a felony.

What hapened to the Duke guys was chicken chit, but hopefully there is no one in the BR DA's office who is that much of a fool as we saw handling the Duke stuff.

Posted by atllsu
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2003
1000 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:23 am to
Again ask yourself, would Andrew Luck have put himself in that situation? Probably not, if you want to be a champion you can't even put yourself in situations like these.

Champions act like Champions all the time!
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:25 am to
Hell of a precedent that would be set if miles didn't suspend a player arrested for second degree felony.

Posted by Milk
central
Member since May 2010
1270 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:25 am to
Which player?
Posted by manwich
You've wanted my
Member since Oct 2008
52740 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:25 am to
quote:

while protecting and serving under the U.S. Constitution and its subsequent, ratified amendments.
Posted by Bojangles
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2008
2092 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:26 am to
As its already been mentioned , playing football for Lsu or any School for that matter is a priviledge, not a right.

JJ has one person to blame for the trouble he is in and that's himself.
I don't understand which part of that some of you people can't/wont grasp.
Posted by aglandry
lafayette
Member since Oct 2008
2574 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:27 am to
quote:

I think there is no one to blame here but Jefferson for being out that late and for Miles to be lax in his curfew monitoring policy...





+1000
Posted by GarmischTiger
Humboldt County
Member since Mar 2007
6849 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:27 am to
Mr. Warner's point could easily have been made in two 4-5 sentence paragraphs by a moderately talented writer. As usual, his point becomes diluted by an overly adjectival, meandering and borderline mean-spirited writing style.
Posted by jhhingle
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
3254 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:28 am to
This is well written/thought out correspondance, however, I still feel they should not have even been involved in this situation at all and should have walked away from it and not been even implicated in this debacle, thus the suspension is warrented and now becoming a full blown distraction to the team and season I'm afraid. What about the student atheletes that do not get involved in this type of activity, is any of this fair to them?
Posted by Bobby Moore
Red Hill, Mississippi
Member since Jun 2005
17751 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:30 am to
quote:

Like in the Duke rape imbroglio, it is my belief that Jordan Jefferson, if found not guilty of battery by additional, exculpatory evidence put forth by his new attorney, Lewis Unglesby, has a possible ripe libel lawsuit in the making, as it appears that local law enforcement and the LSU brass, for whatever selfish motivation, have already rendered him guilty as charged.

Moving forward after this week, Jordan Jefferson should be reinstated, as it is his senior season, and as such, his eligibility clock is ticking. If he is not allowed to play, Jordan Jefferson, like the former wrongly-accused Duke student athletes, could wind up being a millionaire at the expense of the taxpayers, resulting from the poorly exercised judgment of a few administrative “professionals.”



This guy is an idiot. The two cases are entirely different. Videos and eye witness vs a ho-she said-he said-----

I would hope the AD learned from experience and is using excellent judgement now than what happened at Duke.

JJ will not be reinstated nor play another down of fb at LSU. He has no bearing to sue, but knowing black attorneys, he probably will........

goodbye JJ........
Posted by Bojangles
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2008
2092 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:30 am to
As its already been mentioned , playing football for Lsu or any School for that matter is a priviledge, not a right.

JJ has one person to blame for the trouble he is in and that's himself.
I don't understand which part of that some of you people can't/wont grasp.
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