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re: Let's say Miles keeps the offense the same.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 9:44 pm to biglego
Posted on 2/9/16 at 9:44 pm to biglego
The problem is Miles and a lot of people that support him really believe that there is nothing wrong with the offense, and they continue to think in that manner. That we are makin a fuss all over nothing. First off, no one is sayin that all of a sudden you should just go passin beserk, but Miles needs to pull his head out of his arse and catch up with the 22nd century. You need a strong passin game to go along with your strong run game. The two go hand n hand! Everyone that plays LSU knows that this clown will run and run and run the damn ball. First, second, third and even fourth. Doesn't matter, he will just line it up and hand it off to LF or whoever else is lined up back there. You have NFL caliber talent lined up on the outsides at WR and these kids hardly get the ball thrown to them. They should be thrown to with such regularily so that they can build up a consistent chemistry with the starting QB(Harris). It's essential to putting togeteher an outstanding passing game! But they get the ball thrown so inconsistently to them that this is why there is such a dysfunction in the passing attack. Harris also can't develop into a sound, productive QB because of inconsistent play calling concerning the passing game, and receivers like Dupree can't break out and become one of the top WR in the SEC as well as the nation.
Miles' offense is something out of the 1970's and almost laughable if not for the run game. The running game is strong, but imagine how strong it could be if they had a really aggressive passing attack. LF could break off huge gains with defenses now having to play the pass and respect it. I don't understand or see how people continue to act or go along with the notion that the passing game for LSU is okay. That there is no big problem. LOL That people are overreacting with our lack of a passing game. LOL
Miles' offense is something out of the 1970's and almost laughable if not for the run game. The running game is strong, but imagine how strong it could be if they had a really aggressive passing attack. LF could break off huge gains with defenses now having to play the pass and respect it. I don't understand or see how people continue to act or go along with the notion that the passing game for LSU is okay. That there is no big problem. LOL That people are overreacting with our lack of a passing game. LOL
This post was edited on 2/9/16 at 9:59 pm
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Posted on 2/9/16 at 9:45 pm to biglego
quote:'06, '07, '08, and '10
LSU will never score more than 17 on Bama.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 9:51 pm to Mayhawman
I should've said "never again." The offense has been dismal against Saban. Utterly dismal.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 10:00 pm to tubucoco
I don't think Les really has a hatred of passing. LSU threw plenty in 2006-2008, 2013. But his offense seems to require an NFL talent to function. When there isn't an NFL QB--and that QB must also be an upperclassman--the offense reverts to the bland thing we've seen lately. What bothers me too is that even the running plays are uncreative. Just line up and overpower the opponent.
I suppose in Les' mind the offense can plod along and the team will usually win 9-10 games and whenever a NFL QB comes along he'll open it up. And it's enough for him to keep his job. But what I would like to see are some wrinkles, some creativity, just try some things so the offense has a chance against teams with stout DLs.
I suppose in Les' mind the offense can plod along and the team will usually win 9-10 games and whenever a NFL QB comes along he'll open it up. And it's enough for him to keep his job. But what I would like to see are some wrinkles, some creativity, just try some things so the offense has a chance against teams with stout DLs.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 10:13 pm to boxcar willie
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I disagree. Defense wins championships. We don't necessarily need a good offense if the defense is dominate.
Lets just bet the whole damn farm on this new DC. You people are beyond delusional.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 10:17 pm to tubucoco
quote:Hardly, there's plenty work to do. I think it can be good and '13 has my back.
believe that there is nothing wrong with the offense,
You do realize the O ranks much higher vs SEC than the D. Odd I never see you bitchin about D.
quote:So 86 attempts in the last 2 losses weren't enough for you?
But they get the ball thrown so inconsistently to them that this is why there is such a dysfunction in the passing attack.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 10:36 pm to Mayhawman
Really?? You are gonna use the they threw the ball 86 times in their last 2 losses argument?? lol And if I had to go and break the down the tape on those two games that you are talkin about I would probably find that a lot of those passes were thrown towards the end of those games because they were so damn far behind that they had no choice. Anyone that watches LSU football knows that they are a ground it and pound it team. I don't see how you can possibly attempt to argue otherwise?? lol
As for you questioning me about my defensive stance. My thoughts on LSU's defense. I have argued about the D in the past, it's just that I've always considered the offense more of an issue because of how they waste elite talent on the offensive side of the ball and yet these kids still make it to the NFL
. I've always believed in turning elite athletes loose on both offense and defense and letting them do their thing and make plays. I haven't liked LSU's defense since Saban was there. I just tolerated his replacements(Pelini and Chavis) and the shite they ran. But now that Aranda has arrived and the things I hear about him turning elite athletes loose like Saban does. I can't wait to see that!
As for you questioning me about my defensive stance. My thoughts on LSU's defense. I have argued about the D in the past, it's just that I've always considered the offense more of an issue because of how they waste elite talent on the offensive side of the ball and yet these kids still make it to the NFL
. I've always believed in turning elite athletes loose on both offense and defense and letting them do their thing and make plays. I haven't liked LSU's defense since Saban was there. I just tolerated his replacements(Pelini and Chavis) and the shite they ran. But now that Aranda has arrived and the things I hear about him turning elite athletes loose like Saban does. I can't wait to see that!
Posted on 2/9/16 at 10:43 pm to tubucoco
quote:No argue this, just fact they threw plenty in those 2 to no avail. Let the record show LSU scored more ppg on avg in games with less attempts
ground it and pound it team. I don't see how you can possibly attempt to argue otherwise?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 7:02 am to Mayhawman
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Let the record show LSU scored more ppg on avg in games with less attempts
Also let the record show that those games were against the shitty teams on the schedule.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 7:29 am to Brazos
to predictable to beat well prepared, equally talented teams. So no
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:37 am to tubucoco
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Miles' offense is something out of the 1970's and almost laughable
keep in mind that Bama won the NC with a great defense and the same 70's style offense we run. Defense wins championships. With a really great defense a good offense is not really necessary. In fact a offense that scores to many points and moves the ball can be more of a hindrance to a great defense. Just take a look at Texas Tech or TCU. They have never won anything.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:03 am to boxcar willie
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keep in mind that Bama won the NC with a great defense and the same 70's style offense we run.
Bama may also run a pro style offense, but that's where the similarities end.
Kiffin is a much more imaginative and diverse play caller than us. They're unpredictable and mix run and pass perfectly and get the ball to their elite playmakers in the right spots to make big plays.
As for winning with defense, sure, a stout defense can keep a team in most games, even when the offense is struggling. But to have to rely on that defense with a poor offense in EVERY game over the course of a long season is a recipe for disaster.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 9:05 am
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:12 am to Brazos
Not me. A few passes a game doesn't cut it. The threat of being able to complete a pass on any down and distance at any point in the game on a consistent basis is what changes things on offense. And he has to show he is willing to do it to get rid of the entire freaking defense being in the box. And getting a few guys back isn't going to help running the ball into the teeth of 7 and 8 man fronts with the kind of talent and size on defense that we play against.
Go back and compare the first 5 -10 plays of offense that Miles ran against Bama vs the first 5-10 plays that they ran against us in the same game. 1st play we ran up the middle for nothing and pretty sure they ran a slip screen out on the edge that went for 10 or 20 yards.
Go back and compare the first 5 -10 plays of offense that Miles ran against Bama vs the first 5-10 plays that they ran against us in the same game. 1st play we ran up the middle for nothing and pretty sure they ran a slip screen out on the edge that went for 10 or 20 yards.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:37 am to texastigerr
quote:Each team 1st 2 drives Run/Pass selection- LSU 4/5, bama 9/5........ and thought I'd mention LSU started at it's own 10 on one of those drives.
Go back and compare the first 5 -10 plays of offense that Miles ran against Bama vs the first 5-10 plays that they ran against us in the same game.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:38 am to TheCaterpillar
We will lose to Bama and Ole Miss for sure and maybe Arky and/or Auburn.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:41 am to tubucoco
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I haven't liked LSU's defense since Saban was there. I just tolerated his replacements(Pelini and Chavis) and the shite they ra
You didn't even like the 2005-2006, 2011 defenses? Esp the 2011 defense--unlike Bama's that year, it was tested against the best offenses in the country. That defense proved capable against power or spread. Was a marvel.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:23 am to atltiger6487
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keep in mind that Bama won the NC with a great defense and the same 70's style offense we run.
LOL brah, Bama's OJ Howard (TE) had 5 catches, 202 receiving yards, 2 TDs in the NC against Clemson. He had the most yards receiving yards in the game. Kiffin saw holes in the Clemson D and exploited them.. proper film study and game planning should show that spread offenses have more success against Bama. I really don't know why Miles hasn't sunk that in his head yet. He really tries to hammer in a square peg into a triangle hole.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 10:26 am
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:06 am to Mayhawman
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So 86 attempts in the last 2 losses weren't enough for you?
Did you really type this? Of course we threw it....you have to when you're behind and the clock is ticking.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:11 am to Tiger Khan
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No.
The last time LSU won in 07 they fielded a balance offense -- almost 1 to 1 passing to run ratio. The last 12 NCAA champions have had near similar stats of a 1 to 1 ratio with the exception of AU and Cam Newton and FSU with Winston.
Cam and Winston were both Heisman winners and are currently NFL QB's -- with Cam being the recent NFL MVP.
In my opinion, I think if LSU averages 225 passing/220 Rushing -- they are in the playoffs with a chance to win it all. We field, like last year, 170 passing/230 rushing -- we lose 2 games.
Completely agree.... we were damn near 70% Run.. hard to sustain drives all the time doing that, even with the best RB in the country and a seasoned OL its still difficult... You have to have balance... period..
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:38 am to Tigahbader
quote:Down 7pts vs Arky, first 2 drives R/P selection 1/5
Of course we threw it....you have to when you're behind and the clock is ticking.
LSU R/P selection 5/7 for 1st qtr (still down 7pts)
Down 3pts vs OM, first 2 drives R/P selection 6/7
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