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re: Let’s Be Real About Mainieri

Posted on 5/11/19 at 7:28 am to
Posted by TheHat7
Member since Oct 2015
7189 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 7:28 am to
30 wins means u have talent
Posted by DeplorableTigerFan
St. Louis
Member since Nov 2016
373 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 7:39 am to
Some times change needs to take place and now appears to be the time. This team has lost it's fire.

No doubt PM has done a great job but we need a new level of energy and someone who will bring it and demand it of the players.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5895 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 7:51 am to
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have similar six year stretches like corbin, bianco, and osullivan


One of these is not like the others

Bianco would kill to have a six year stretch like Mainieri had

I've never seen such a mediocre coach get propped up like he's good on this board as Bianco
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
10652 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:05 am to
It’s well known among football coaches that it’s very hard to stay at one school more than about 10 years.

Fans grow tired of even good coaches at that point and are just ready for change. Guys like Saban are the rare exception. You just can’t dominate baseball like football because the playing field is too even.

Personally, I think Woodward has a talk with him after the season and if he still has the fire to coach after losing his father then he gets another year to right the ship.
This post was edited on 5/11/19 at 8:09 am
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:27 am to
When a coach starts surrounding himself with friends and family for assistants it shows that he's gotten too comfortable and he doesn't have that competitive fire anymore. More concerned with his own happiness/ego/comfort/control than winning. The competitive fire has been put out. Ambition is gone. Same thing happened to Les Miles.

It happens to all of us as we get older.

Young coaches are bright-eyed, bushy-tailed and ambitious. They're willing to do anything to win and want to surround themselves with the best people to help them do it. They can relate to the young players they coach and motivate them. We need a Will Wade type in the baseball program.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
30232 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:32 am to
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I’d add his fathers passing as a major factor in the change of his energy level


He was low energy before his father passed ....not doubt it weighs on him but I don't think it changed his demeanor in the dugout.....he was always a low energy guy.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:32 am to
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The similarities between the Les Miles situation and how it unfolded and how things are playing out with PM are scary


Because LSU and Louisianians in general, put up with a lot of bulshit and losing to maintain the status quo and be comfortable. We're afraid of change in this State. It's that catastrophe syndrome.

Luckily we have one of the good Louisianians in charge of the athletic department now and he's a bulldog and a winner and has high expectations. Put up or shut up and get out of the way.
Posted by ForLSU56
Rapides Parish
Member since Feb 2015
5582 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:38 am to
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those that came before you.


Not "those" but "he" ..... and the he was Skip Bertman who was one of the greatest of all time.
Posted by ForLSU56
Rapides Parish
Member since Feb 2015
5582 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:42 am to
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The program is trending downward


And the fact of the matter is...when the downward spiral starts it's hard to stop and the "stop" usually starts with a coaching change. If those that control this situation aren't careful ..... the next few years LSU baseball will be mid pack in the conference and a post season want to be.
Posted by mdtiger1
Great Northwest Louisiana
Member since Jan 2005
1435 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:12 am to
Yep, the shite down their legs on a foul popup not long ago.. His "stare" didn't stop that! One of the most egregious errors in the history of NCAA baseball history. A routine, everyday play cost the Hogs a championship yet Van Horn has his team VERY much back in the race. I don't doubt their presence in Omaha and could win it.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:35 am to
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You have unlimited resources and a field that rivals minor leagues
this is a point that pm defenders absolutely will not acknowledge. in their minds, pm has some built in excuses for being passed up by several lesser programs
Posted by Howyouluhdat
On Fleek St
Member since Jan 2015
8902 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:39 am to
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Look at Van Horn in the dugout. I think he could just look at his players and make them shite down their legs if they screw up and don't play hard.



You realize DVH is one of the most underachieving coaches in the SEC right?
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:39 am to
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Plenty of the head coaches the rant sucks off have similar six year stretches like corbin, bianco, and osullivan, where they dont win in omaha. And most of those guys are still doing it.
i get (wrongly) accused of cherry picking but this is a real example. aside from bianco, the other 2 have significantly outshined pm over a long period of time.

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Thats just the parity of the game
and this is totally misleading. yes, there is MORE parity now. however, basically no one is on par with lsu as i have demonstrated time and again. lsu is absolutely the premier program. essentially the yankees of the sport without the results.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:41 am to
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You just can’t dominate baseball like football because the playing field is too even
here is another customary response. "this isn't the 90's." that's called excluded middle. there is something in between skip's 90's results and where pm is now. THAT'S why people are upset.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:42 am to
If you want to get in the details, I don't feel like the 2009 baseball team backed their way in on a stroke of luck into playing for a title, like football did. But you're right - he's a new age Les Miles situation. And the amount of stretching and bending and twisting that people are willing to do to make excuses for him is unbelievable.

Posted by Howyouluhdat
On Fleek St
Member since Jan 2015
8902 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:43 am to
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basically no one is on par with lsu as i have demonstrated time and again. lsu is absolutely the premier program. essentially the yankees of the sport without the results.



I don’t get why you keep making a completely false point. It makes you sound even more moronic every time. It’s simply not true
Posted by ShawSawTheMoor
China Grove, Brazoria Co. TX FM 521
Member since Apr 2019
333 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:44 am to
Mainieri is baseball equivalent of Les Miles: a great coach and a good man, but...tempora mutantur...the times, they are a-changin'.
This post was edited on 5/11/19 at 9:45 am
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:44 am to
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When a coach starts surrounding himself with friends and family for assistants it shows that he's gotten too comfortable and he doesn't have that competitive fire anymore
now this is an interesting point. i know someone on the saints staff and i have been told that payton intentionally maintains a tense atmosphere because he wants his staff coaching for their jobs every week. i realize not all orgs work that way but they do to some degree. i don't know that this is the case but it's possible that pm has yes men around him.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:47 am to
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You realize DVH is one of the most underachieving coaches in the SEC right?


oh my word. based on what?

over the last 9 seasons, he has equaled pm's cws results and looks poised to pass pm up. what i find really funny is this is a coach that the pm crew scoffs at.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10708 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:48 am to
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. however, basically no one is on par with lsu as i have demonstrated time and again. lsu is absolutely the premier program. essentially the yankees of the sport without the results.


I strongly question this. Coastal Carolina won the CWS, little parity in the sport. Maybe PM has done a great job with the talent he has had the past 5 years? LSU pitching depth has been marginal for years. Look at UF et al.
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