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re: Let me see if I can list the Mainieri blunders so far this year

Posted on 4/25/21 at 11:03 am to
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 4/25/21 at 11:03 am to
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George pitched 1-1/3 of an inning in SEC okay. 7-1/3 overall and he isn’t the problem, The young pitchers have had multiple chances to show up and have had limited success, but none have a real role and none really know what they are being counted on to do.
Did you forget the argument I’m making? I’m not talking about anything recent. This is about the looks he was getting pre sec, just like Bianco, and how they were useless when you should have been looking at other guys to see what they could do.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 4/25/21 at 11:04 am to
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That had nothing to do with George getting some action when we needed an inning eater.
Except through UTSA he wasn’t just used as an inning eater. Get the point?

ETA: and when he pitched vs Tenn. that wasn’t an “inning eating” spot either.
This post was edited on 4/25/21 at 11:07 am
Posted by Willie Stroker
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Posted on 4/25/21 at 11:11 am to
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You have too much free time we’re all very well aware he hasn’t done a good job

Eat a dick Stephen. I applaud the OP for attempting to articulate his thoughts in a well reasoned manner.

We need more of this in society, not less.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 4/25/21 at 11:11 am to
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Except through UTSA he wasn’t just used as an inning eater. Get the point?

ETA: and when he pitched vs Tenn. that wasn’t an “inning eating” spot either.

For the most part he was there to eat innings.

And you know throwing seven innings hasn’t stopped any of our young pitchers ftom stepping up. You just like to bang on a kid and George is an easy target.

Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 4/25/21 at 11:14 am to
It’s not banging on George, just like it’s not banging on Bianco. It’s the decision makers putting them in those spots. At this point, to not see that has to be intentional.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/25/21 at 11:18 am to
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And you know throwing seven innings hasn’t stopped any of our young pitchers ftom stepping up. You just like to bang on a kid and George is an easy target.
Nice slight of hand. I didn’t say “stop” I said “delay.” Of course it can slow development. Isn’t that a main issue of ours? Wasting innings for guys who don’t need to be in spots or situations? Like Bianco in CF or at SS? Wasted innings on him during a time we could have been developing others. It should not have taken so long to get the left side of the infield where it is. If it was set earlier, maybe we don’t lose close games to Tenn, USC, or Ole Miss. if Arnold or Cranford have more time vs easier pitching, maybe they’re better prepared come those games. If Coleman, Floyd, Edwards, Money, Millar, etc have those stressful innings those first few weeks, maybe they are better prepared and ready for the start of SEC instead of us being in the middle of the season and still misusing them because we don’t really know exactly what they can handle.

Yes. It fricking matters.
This post was edited on 4/25/21 at 11:20 am
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 4/25/21 at 11:26 am to
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Nice slight of hand. I didn’t say “stop” I said “delay.” Of course it can slow development. Isn’t that a main issue of ours? Wasting innings for guys who don’t need to be in spots or situations? Like Bianco in CF or at SS? Wasted innings on him during a time we could have been developing others. It should not have taken so long to get the left side of the infield where it is. If it was set earlier, maybe we don’t lose close games to Tenn, USC, or Ole Miss. if Arnold or Cranford have more time vs easier pitching, maybe they’re better prepared come those games. If Coleman, Floyd, Edwards, Money, Millar, etc have those stressful innings those first few weeks, maybe they are better prepared and ready for the start of SEC instead of us being in the middle of the season and still misusing them because we don’t really know exactly what they can handle.

Yes. It fricking matters.


Nice red herring.

So if Coleman, Floyd, Edwards, Money, Miller, etc. would all have divided up those 7 innings that George pitched then they all would have pitched one more inning and they have magically become front line SEC arms!!! Bull

And Bianco at SS and CF had nothing to do with our pitching staff and their development. And btw, Bianco playing a few games at SS didn’t stop Thompson from developing. He still ride to the top.

The pitchers not stepping up has nothing to do with George and everything to do with Dunn.

Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 4/25/21 at 11:29 am to
You can’t see the forest for the trees.

You’re trying to discount a specific example of the issue instead of acknowledging the pattern.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/25/21 at 11:32 am to
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So if Coleman, Floyd, Edwards, Money, Miller, etc. would all have divided up those 7 innings that George pitched then they all would have pitched one more inning and they have magically become front line SEC arms!!! Bull
Strawman much?

Any one of those guys could have found something in an extra outing or inning those first few weeks. I would take that improvement no matter how small over watching George be the same pitcher he has been for 3 years. See the difference? Development is a slow process. Any missed innings matter and delay that development. And yes, that can make a difference in a game or two down the road. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a couple more SEC wins right now?
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And Bianco at SS and CF had nothing to do with our pitching staff and their development. And btw, Bianco playing a few games at SS didn’t stop Thompson from developing. He still ride to the top.
Stop. No. Delay. Yes. Imagine if Thompson was even better and was more prepared earlier. Good is nice but great is better yes?
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The pitchers not stepping up has nothing to do with George and everything to do with Dunn.
Dunn doesnt decide who pitches. There is so much more to pitching than bullpens man. I can’t believe you don’t see how important game situations and game innings are. Nothing done on the side can compare.
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/25/21 at 11:36 am to
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You can’t see the forest for the trees.

You’re trying to discount a specific example of the issue instead of acknowledging the pattern.


I see the problem and it’s not George pitching 7 innings. It’s the coaching he AND all the others are getting.

You ever stop and think George might be better too if he got better coaching? He is a symptom of the bigger problem and not the problem.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36017 posts
Posted on 4/25/21 at 11:47 am to
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Any one of those guys could have found something in an extra outing or inning those first few weeks. I would take that improvement no matter how small over watching George be the same pitcher he has been for 3 years. See the difference? Development is a slow process. Any missed innings matter and delay that development. And yes, that can make a difference in a game or two down the road. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a couple more SEC wins right now?

All BS. Only if this guy it that guy would throw another inning. You sound like a player’s moma. Only if little Brandon had one more chance.

Well if you aren’t getting coached up simply pitching more doesn’t mean squat.
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Stop. No. Delay. Yes. Imagine if Thompson was even better and was more prepared earlier. Good is nice but great is better yes?

And perhaps making Thompson work harder to play helped him out? Who knows? I don’t and neither do you.

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Dunn doesnt decide who pitches. There is so much more to pitching than bullpens man. I can’t believe you don’t see how important game situations and game innings are. Nothing done on the side can compare.

Mi know if you put s kid in a game and his mechanics are bad, or if he only had one good pitch, and he is limited then putting him in a game isn’t going to fix his issues. You build pitchers. You don’t put them in games and hood they learn.

Sure once you execute on the side games are important, but we had all Fall, all preseason and all pre SEC to see the young guys. How many really pitch? How many have command of two pitches? How many are ready fir the SEC?

I’m not talking of throwing fast balls, I’m talking about pitching, hitting locations and showing command of multiple pitchers.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85031 posts
Posted on 4/25/21 at 12:21 pm to
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All BS. Only if this guy it that guy would throw another inning. You sound like a player’s moma. Only if little Brandon had one more chance.
I never thought I would see someone argue that playing time doesn’t matter to development but here we are.
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And perhaps making Thompson work harder to play helped him out?
Grasping at straws now. Well done. You’ve reached the point where you are arguing that not playing is more important than playing.
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How many really pitch? How many have command of two pitches? How many are ready fir the SEC?
You don’t truly know till you throw them out there especially the young ones. Not the 4th year walk on.
This post was edited on 4/25/21 at 12:23 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/25/21 at 1:36 pm to
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I never thought I would see someone argue that playing time doesn’t matter to development but here we are.

You are arguing that Aaron George’s 7 innings pitched has stifled the development of Coleman, Floyd, Hellmers, Money Milas and others. I said you were spouting BS. It’s that simple. An extra inning of pitching for five of six guys isn’t going to turn those guys around.
The fact is George has pitched less this year than all those guys have. His innings pitched if given all to one guy may have meant something, but an inning per player no.

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Grasping at straws now. Well done. You’ve reached the point where you are arguing that not playing is more important than playing.

I know you golf a lot, You can play 18 holes every day, and reach a point where you don’t get any better because your swing is bad. You won’t be able to improve until you correct your problems, practice a better swing and then go out and do it.

If a guy has poor mechanics, if he can’t command his pitches, if he can’t throw a breaking ball; throwing in more games isn’t going to make much of a difference if any.
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You don’t truly know till you throw them out there especially the young ones. Not the 4th year walk o


PM and Dunn should know whether a kid is pitching well enough to get SEC batters out. If he is he should pitch in SEC games. The problem is not that we are picking the wrong guys to throw, the problem is we don’t have enough SEC quality arms to pick from.

Our coaches have not put the young arms in a winning position. Thinking guys can find it in a game is a recipe for disaster. Sure it could work once in a while, but it’s not a recipe for success.
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