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Posted on 2/20/10 at 5:11 pm to dukke v
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I have NEVER said this.However He has had more to work with SINCE SABAN set him up.
Maybe, but that doesn't mean we have invincible athletes. There is not a huge disparity in talent between us and the rest of the SEC like there is between USC and the rest of the Pac 10 or like there was between Miami and the rest of the Big East back in the day.
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This is where YOU are being STUPID. I WANT Miles to be great. But he is not. SABAN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.MILES all day long.
You don't want Miles to succeed because his success might change your attitudes about who can and can't coach and who is a football god and who isn't.
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The bar was set HIGH by SABAN. If YOUR boy Miles can't handle it he needs to GTFO!!!!!
There you go again. The more and more you post the more you reveal how little you support our program. The only fan you are is a Nick Saban fan. That's it.
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Have I EVER said i WANT LSU to fail????
You don't have to. The underlying connotations are there in your posts. You have formed an opinion that only Nick Saban can be above reproach and certainly someone who is as different as Les Miles surely can't come close to be a god like Nick.
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He BETTER win at least 10 games next year. Or IT will be an EPIC FAIL!!!!!
Winning 10 games would allow him to return to get a chance for the SEC title. That's what it's about. Being able to hang tough year in and year out so you can finally have a year here and there where you go far.
This post was edited on 2/20/10 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 2/20/10 at 5:25 pm to liquid rabbit
Let's ask Charlie Mac about this statement.
Posted on 2/20/10 at 5:35 pm to Choctaw
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it was freaking UAB!!!
Not to defend Saban or that game, but you do realize that UAB had a good team that year, right? They went 7-4, I think, with one loss being in the final seconds on the road against a Big XII team, and another being in overtime against USM. Also, it was early in the season and they were fully healthy. Louisana Tech was a losing team that had a boatload of players injured for that game (and others).
Posted on 2/20/10 at 5:36 pm to chilge1
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How do you distinguish scapegoats with valid excuses? Do you honestly think that the departures of Pelini and Perilloux had absolutely no effect on the team?
Thanks for making my point for me. Sorry if you don't understand.
Perilloux started a grand total of what, like 2 games while he was here? Don't good teams lose coordinators all the time? A coordinator on a good team leaving for a better job. Is this something unexpected? This kind of stuff happens all the time. Shouldn't wreck a program for 2 years. Elite football programs are bigger than 1 player and/or 1 coach.
Newsflash ... we were an elite program. Now we are not.
Posted on 2/20/10 at 5:36 pm to dukke v
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Penn State?
That will be Nicks last coaching job. If you don't think PSU will give Saban a HUGE offer after Joe Pa retires you are fooling yourself.
Seems unlikely. Why would they go for a guy in his 60s who will only coach for a few more years before retiring? I would expect them to hire someone younger in hopes that he will stay for the long term.
Posted on 2/20/10 at 5:46 pm to chilge1
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Do you honestly think that the departures of Pelini and Perilloux had absolutely no effect on the team?
Of course they did. But it was Miles' responsibility to replace Pelini and he did an absolutely shitty job of it. Perrilloux? OK, maybe one year with an inexperienced freshman QB is an excuse for not winning the SEC West (though certainly not an excuse for going 3-5 in the SEC), but any good coach would have used that year to develop somebody to be ready to QB the team in 2009. Miles wasted 2008 by not developing either Lee or Jefferson, so was back in the same position again in 2009.
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Both of those moves have had extremely lasting impressions on the team that it won't be until THIS season that they can be compensated.
Why? Why does it take three years to replace a defensive coordinator? Or a quarterback for that matter? An assistant coach can and should be adequately replaced immediately. A quarterback in one year, not three.
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now Miles has the order of achieving 10 wins in what will be his most treacherous out of conference schedule during his tenure (and the hardest I can recall in many years at LSU) while manuvering the gauntlet of the SEC.
If he hadn't fricked up the last two years so badly, he might get a pass for not winning 10 this year. As it is, he's used all of his "benefit of the doubt" and it's time to produce or get the frick out.
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The only positives I can see for Miles is that Florida will have a down year and that it initially appears that Alabama may be the same, though they lose precious little on offense.
Nothing about Florida or Alabama can possibly be positive for Miles. He will never beat either of those teams again while he is at LSU.
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9-3 (6-2) or 10-2 (7-1) this year would impress me provided we manage to rank in top 40 in both offense and defense and don't suffer any embarrassing losses.
Why would that be so impressive? It used to be a normal season back when we were an elite team. The fact that it's now considered impressive demonstrates just how much damage Miles has ALREADY done, not to mention the additional damage he continues to do every single day he stays on the job.
Posted on 2/20/10 at 5:50 pm to mattfoley
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I have NEVER said this.However He has had more to work with SINCE SABAN set him up.
I guess '05's 13 LOIs set him up great?
Maybe 1/2 of those contribute and loose some of those as Jrs to draft.
You take that recruiting hole, plus the RP situation, and it equals a pothole in the road to SEC Titles.
In another conference, you might get away with that, not the SEC.
We're past that bad stretch of road and ready to be in yearly contention.
Posted on 2/20/10 at 6:15 pm to Choctaw
les is going no where if we fire him we will never be able to get anyone else do u realize the success he has had here sure he got a program that was successful but he has also kept it very successful even with 2 qb's that were very young
Posted on 2/20/10 at 6:21 pm to tigertalkster
i think the unfortunate contracts that we gave miles and crowton have a lot to do with their maintaining their respective jobs
Posted on 2/20/10 at 6:37 pm to liquid rabbit
yeah, just like frank solich.
Posted on 2/20/10 at 6:55 pm to cheeser
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i think the unfortunate contracts that we gave miles and crowton have a lot to do with their maintaining their respective jobs
Yeah, that and the fact that the Miles 5 yrs are the most successful 5 yr period under the same coach in LSU history.
Posted on 2/20/10 at 6:56 pm to Lonnie4LSU
What's up, Big Lonnie?
Posted on 2/20/10 at 8:04 pm to tigertalkster
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he has also kept it very successful even with 2 qb's that were very young
In two years...
17-9 overall + 8-8 in SEC + One #17 finish =/= "very successful"
He took over a successful program and kept the success going for three years, then it stopped. Maybe it will come back, but probably not while he is here.
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if we fire him we will never be able to get anyone else
Name one coach who has ever turned down a head coaching job because he thought the school who fired his would-be predecessor should not have fired him.
Posted on 2/20/10 at 8:11 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Yeah, that and the fact that the Miles 5 yrs are the most successful 5 yr period under the same coach in LSU history
Not only that, but he also has another accomplishment: Worst back-to-back seasons for the program in 10 years.
Did you know that Mack Brown had a losing record at North Carolina for his first five years? Under your philosophy that overall record is the only indicator and trend means nothing, he should have been fired. But North Carolina knew that people who follow your philosophy are stupid, and instead looked at the trend...
1988: 1-10
1989: 1-10
1990: 6-4-1
1991: 7-4
1992: 9-3
Knowing, as anybody with a brain would have, that the state of the program when he took it over made his overall record meaningless in comparison to the DIRECTION he was taking the program, North Carolina didn't fire him because of that poor overall record.
Posted on 2/20/10 at 8:18 pm to Mayhawman
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I guess '05's 13 LOIs set him up great?
Maybe 1/2 of those contribute and loose some of those as Jrs to draft.
You take that recruiting hole, plus the RP situation, and it equals a pothole in the road to SEC Titles.
He had five years to recruit and develop a QB, and the best he came up with is Jordan Jefferson.
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We're past that bad stretch of road and ready to be in yearly contention.
With what offensive line? What defensive line? What quarterback? What running backs? What receivers? What offensive coordinator?
Have you seen any LSU team since 2000 enter a season with this many serious unanswered questions? The program is in the worst state it's been in since the offseason between 1999 and 2000. It's not just Ryan Perrilloux being gone that's the problem, it's the whole team, across the board. It's the weakest it's been in 10 years.
Thank goodness the Perrilloux excuse is finally dead now.
Posted on 2/20/10 at 9:31 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Not only that, but he also has another accomplishment: Worst back-to-back seasons for the program in 10 years.
That just proves how good LSU has been the last 10 years.
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Did you know that Mack Brown had a losing record at North Carolina for his first five years?
1988: 1-10
1989: 1-10
1990: 6-4-1
1991: 7-4
1992: 9-3
Isn't that 2 losing records or am i missing something?
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Knowing, as anybody with a brain would have, that the state of the program when he took it over made his overall record meaningless in comparison to the DIRECTION he was taking the program, North Carolina didn't fire him because of that poor overall record.
And if it would have been up to you, you would have fired Brown after year 2.
Posted on 2/20/10 at 9:34 pm to TigerCard
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Russ Mitchell
I don't need Russ or anyone else to tell me how Les is doing. I already know - I go to/watch the games.
Posted on 2/20/10 at 9:40 pm to Nuts4LSU
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With what offensive line? What defensive line? What quarterback? What running backs? What receivers? What offensive coordinator?
You're right...we suck. There's no hope of ever coming back. Why even continue recruiting....why bring in the new coaches? Shut the program down until we can get a coach that can guarantee LSU will be in the SEC championship game every year. Give him 3 years and if he can't do it fire him and bring in someone else.
This post was edited on 2/20/10 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 2/20/10 at 10:15 pm to Choctaw
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Isn't that 2 losing records or am i missing something?
As usual, you're missing something. An overall losing record through his first five years. The fact that I was addressing Lonnie's penchant for relying on Miles' OVERALL record and ignoring the trend should have been a clue that that was what I was talking about. Brown's overall record at UNC through 5 years was 24-31-1.
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And if it would have been up to you, you would have fired Brown after year 2.
As usual, the sunshine pumpers know not of what they speak. I would not have wanted him fired because I would have known that he had a major rebuilding job to do and that it would take time. As I said a couple of days ago, when a coach first arrives at a school, his record is pretty much dictated by the condition of the program upon his arrival. Except in the very rare cases of an extremely good coach (who immediately turns around a losing program) or an extremely bad coach (who immediately ruins a successful one), most of the time things don't change drastically immediately with a coaching change. It's only after they've been there for a few years that you begin to see the true picture of how good the coach is. After Mack Brown's 4th and 5th years at UNC, it was clear he was a very good coach. After Miles 4th and 5th years, it's pretty clear that he's not.
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That just proves how good LSU has been the last 10 years.
It proves how good LSU was until two years ago, and how mediocre we are now.
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