re: Les Miles to take the same path as Coker, Fulmer & Bowden

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However Miles = Coker

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stupid analogy. Miles hasn't posted a 6-6 record and he's a better recruiter. Miles has had his problems the past two years, but he's no Coker. He might still finish in top 10. So, it's really a stupid analogy. It does get attention though, which is why it keeps getting brought up.

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Hope I'm wrong

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Sadly many people here hope you are right...

Miles, since most of Sabans players were gone, which has been the last 2 years, has been pretty awful! Since Saban came back to the SEC and to Bama, Bama is 32-8. In those same 3 years under Miles, with LSU already being built into power by Saban, LSU is 29 -10. That is very telling, especially when you look at SEC records last 2 years also. Bama is 16 - 0, LSU and blockhead, 8-8! LSU will not be in contention for the SEC championship, and certainly not for the National championship any longer as long as Miles is here! BCS games are a definite thing of the past for LSU, as long as Miles is here! His litle run at the begginning of his carrer here, is way over, and anyone that thinks the record this year is some sign of great things to come is just reaching like hell. LSU lost 3 SEC games, and had to scrap like hell to beat most every team they beat no matter where we played them. Losses to Florida and Bama now every year, along with another 2 or more to the better teams in the SEC, is going to be a constant from 08 on. LSU will not dominate teams in this conference any longer, and with blockhead as coach, every team we play knows they have a very good shot to knock us off, not just a hope to do so as in years past! But all you apologists want us all to be happy to maybe be 8-4 or maybe 9-3, and who knows, at best a 10 win season with a bowl win every now and then. But the thing is, LSU will be out of contention for any kind of championships of any kind, as soon as we play Floriada and Bama every year. And other losses along the way will always come too! Point is, with 12 game schedules now, and so many damn bowl games which gives you a guarantee of 13 games, an 8 or 9 win season just really is not any kind of a great or really even a good season!

"The QB excuse is getting tired. I was willing to accept that last year. But have you seen anything out of Jefferson or Lee that leads you to believe they are progressing? Greg Mcelroy didn't have any experience before this year, they are 12-0 and playing for the NC. I could give several examples of underclass men that have played well at QB. Hell Russell was a RSSoph in 2005 we went 11-2 losing the SEC CG when he got hurt. It is up to the coaches to recruit and develop all players including QBs'. If the QB aren't producing, that is ultimately on the coaches."
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Well...yes and no. McElroy is a redshirt senior, just like Matt Flynn was. Big difference between that and a true sophomore. I agree about Russell, and Tebow did pretty well as a soph., but not every QB progresses the same. Jefferson was OK this year, but will get better. The big problem was last year, when we had no one to plug in when Perrilloux was canned. (And that is primarily Saban's fault, for not getting a QB in 04 or having another one in the pipeline for 05.)
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"We may not be headed for 2-9 Curley Hallman days, but I don't see Les getting us back to elite status. 9-3 and the Cap 1 is a good season,]. It shouldn't be the best season we can have. Just look at Tennessee after winning thw NC in 98, they went to 1 more BCS Bowl, in 99, haven't won another SEC C or been to a BCS Bowl since , only 1 other time, 01 were they really contenders for the NC."
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You may be right, but I'm just not ready to compare us to UT in the 90s because of one bad year. Now, if 8-4, 7-5 becomes the norm over the next 4-5 years, then I'll agree that we need a change. My point is that there are very legitimate reasons we fell off last year, and this year we seem to be moving in the right direction. Remember, we played 'Bama tough the last two years; we would have beaten them last year without all the interceptions, and who knows what would have happened this year if Peterson had been in the game on Jones' long TD. So I don't think we're that far off the pace. Only time will tell...

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Miles will never win another NC without great assistants to do the coaching same as Bowden.

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This is probably true. So the key to Miles' success is the throw the big bucks at big-time assistants, OCs, and DCs. Build a real A+ coaching staff and he can be the beloved grandfather figurehead HC, the Tigers will return to dominant, competitive, championship level football, and LSU can be one big happy family again.

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You are not wrong. Hope the powers at be do not let this hangover last beyond 2010.

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This.

BTW, I just posted a thread about Saban's interview on ESPN a few minutes ago. Stated that Saban is world's better than Miles will ever be. Apparently did not post or was deleted. Could not find it.

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Your thread was whacked because it has nothing to do with LSU

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Comparing your coaches of 2 sec teams in one is LSU, does not have anything to do w/ LSU?

That's a stretch.

Makes no difference though. We are where we are. We'll see how it plays out.

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Coach Miles doesn't actually do anything but collect a paycheck doesn't mean they actually WTF they are talking about.

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My grandma was calling for a timeout after the Ridley screen pass and she's been dead for 10 years.

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McElroy is a redshirt senior, just like Matt Flynn was

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I thought he was a true Jr, but he is a RSJr, they signed him in 2006.
There is no doubt the RP thing hurt us, especially last year. But JJ has 13 starts now and I don't see much improvement. Maybe another off season/camp will be what he needs, but I'm not confident in these coaches developing him. While Saban not getting a QB in 04 hurt a little, he did get 2 in 03 that were redshirted, Miles didn't sign one in 2006 either and only 1 in 2007, Lee. I hope they get that corrected because terrible QB play was a big part of the demise at Miami and Florida State.

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I'm just not ready to compare us to UT in the 90s because of one bad year.

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Thats the thing no one sees the iceberg until its too late. Who would have thought Tenn was heading down in 2000? They went 9-3 and 8-4 after winning the NC in 98. Not bad, you can't win it all every year right? 2001 they go 10-1, upset Fla in the Swamp to win the East, 1 game from going back to the NC Game. From that point they were good but not great. Its a tough pull to swallow when you've been to the top. It will be even more painful at LSU watching Bama build a powerhouse.