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re: Les Miles lawsuit vs LSU - (link to court docs inside). Very interesting.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:13 pm to JimTiger72
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:13 pm to JimTiger72
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Even with the vacated wins, he was sitting at 105-55 (.656)
He went to Kansas & his 3-18 record puts him at 108-73 (.596)
I think you just made the NCAA's case.
I still don't get the hate for Miles around here.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 12:14 pm
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:16 pm to GrizzlyAlloy
Even if no wins were vacated, the reason he got fired at Kansas certainly would have factored into him not being nominated for the HOF and/or being voted in. Who does the nominating???
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:18 pm to Tiger in Gatorland
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Frankly, it does seem like the scapegoated him. Why did they vacate three season of football wins for one Level II infraction, and didn't vacate any basketball wins for for three Level I violations, two Level II violations, and one Level III violation?
It is a NCAA rule that if there is a player played in a game and later was found to be ineligible, the team with the ineligible player forfeit the game.
Vadal Alexander was ruled ineligible because of improper benefits given to his family. It does not matter if Les Miles or LSU knew or did not know about the improper benefits
Clearly It is nor fair....but there is tons of precedence.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:19 pm to WDAIII
quote:Wrong. It's based on the accurate assumption that he should be allowed to apply. Currently, he cannot apply.
It's based on the false assumption that Miles would be a sure bet hall of famer with those wins. That's frivolous.
quote:Okay. I've drafted hundreds of petitions and complaints. What is about this Complaint that makes it look like it was drafted by a non-lawyer?
As far as standard petition reference, any Joe Blow can Google a petition, download it, and plug in facts. Just because it cites the basis of jurisdiction does not make it a well drafted petition
quote:Are you intentionally being obtuse? What is about this Complaint that makes it look like it was drafted by a non-lawyer?
As far as the law firm, a fancy name and merely claiming on the website that they are experts does not make them experts and does not establish their credibility
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:24 pm to The Mick
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PS - Miles is not seeking $ or damages. He wants his wins reinstated for the purposes of awards/records/etc.
Of this is the case, why sue LSU? They have no way of giving him the relief he’s requesting. Only the NCAA can do that
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:27 pm to lsufball19
quote:he's suing LSU, the NCAA, and the College Football HOF.
Of this is the case, why sue LSU? They have no way of giving him the relief he’s requesting. Only the NCAA can do that
He's requesting the wins to be reinstated AND for none of the 3 institutions to interfere with him being nominated to be in the HOF.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:27 pm to lsufball19
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why sue LSU? They have no way of giving him the relief he’s requesting. Only the NCAA can do that
just asking because I don't know, but was this one of those "voluntary" preemptive self punishments made to soften the blow? if so, then that may be the reason for suing LSU, and if so, he's probably right and I hope he wins
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:28 pm to lsufball19
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Of this is the case, why sue LSU? They have no way of giving him the relief he’s requesting. Only the NCAA can do that
He named LSU, the NCAA, and the HOF in the lawsuit.
(I still don’t really think he has a leg to stand on, FWIW.)
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:29 pm to hashtag
Two serious questions for anyone that may know:
1. Are all coaches auto-nominated based on winning %, years coaching, etc? Or, is that just the minimum to be nominated and then some other process happens? (aka, a school nominates the coach)
2. What is the process for acceptance after a nomination for coach happens?
1. Are all coaches auto-nominated based on winning %, years coaching, etc? Or, is that just the minimum to be nominated and then some other process happens? (aka, a school nominates the coach)
2. What is the process for acceptance after a nomination for coach happens?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:31 pm to Czechessential
quote:Yes, it was self-imposed punishment by LSU which the NCAA agreed with/ allowed.
was this one of those "voluntary" preemptive self punishments made to soften the blow?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:33 pm to The Mick
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Yes, it was self-imposed punishment by LSU which the NCAA agreed with/ allowed.
that may give his suit a little leverage, maybe he's doing it so they'll select him and he tells them to kick rocks?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:36 pm to Czechessential
quote:We've seens lots of confusing moves by Les in the past, so you never know...
that may give his suit a little leverage, maybe he's doing it so they'll select him and he tells them to kick rocks?
FWIW, I don't think he's a HOF coach but I do like the guy.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:39 pm to hashtag
I found the link and answered my own question:
Selection Process
Selection Process
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A coach becomes eligible three full seasons after retirement or immediately following retirement provided he is at least 70 years old. Active coaches become eligible at 75 years of age. He must have been a head football coach for a minimum of 10 years and coached at least 100 games with a .600 winning percentage.
quote:
VOTING PROCEDURE:
NOMINATIONS MAY ONLY BE SUBMITTED BY THE CURRENT ATHLETICS DIRECTOR, HEAD FOOTBALL COACH OR SPORTS INFORMATION DIRECTOR (SID) OF A POTENTIAL CANDIDATE’S COLLEGIATE INSTITUTION. NOMINATIONS MAY ALSO BE SUBMITTED BY THE PRESIDENT/EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF A DUES-PAYING CHAPTER OF THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL FOUNDATION.
Statistics, newspaper/magazine clippings, records and personal recommendations by coaches, fellow players and opponents are all considered.
The National Football Foundation staff will screen each candidate. After ascertaining that the nomination satisfies all requirements, FBS nominees are submitted to the District Screening Committee (DSC) nearest to the institution where the nominee played. New nominees as well as individuals who appeared on the previous year's ballot will be included in this process each year.
Only the top vote-getters (approx. 60 players) from the DSC are forwarded to the National Football Foundation staff for inclusion on the ballot. The ballot also carries names of candidates held over from the previous year. These carryover names are referred to as "automatic holdovers" and are decided upon by the Honors Court. Please note: even though your player is nominated, his name WILL NOT appear on the national ballot if he does not first pass through the DSC.
The national ballot of players and coaches is emailed to all dues-paying NFF chapter members, NFF academic members and Football Writers Association of America (FWAA) members for a vote. The results are compiled and provided to the Honors Court, which determines the final class members, to be used as a reference.
Any candidate not selected to the current year's Hall of Fame class will automatically go through the voting procedures again the following year. Candidates do not need to be re-nominated, but additions/updates to a candidate’s file are always welcome.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:44 pm to hashtag
so, all of the following has to happen for Les to get into the CF HOF:
1. He has to win this lawsuit.
2. He has to be nominated by the current AD, Head football coach, SID, or the Pres/Executive Director of a dues-paying chapter to the NFF.
3. He has to pass a screening by National Football Foundation staff and then sent to the DSC.
4. Has to be a top vote-getter of the District Screening Committee.
5. Has to be voted on by the NFF chapter/academic members, and the Football Writers Association of America.
6. Then the Honors Court determines the final class members.
So many more people he could sue if this first lawsuit doesn't workout for him.
1. He has to win this lawsuit.
2. He has to be nominated by the current AD, Head football coach, SID, or the Pres/Executive Director of a dues-paying chapter to the NFF.
3. He has to pass a screening by National Football Foundation staff and then sent to the DSC.
4. Has to be a top vote-getter of the District Screening Committee.
5. Has to be voted on by the NFF chapter/academic members, and the Football Writers Association of America.
6. Then the Honors Court determines the final class members.
So many more people he could sue if this first lawsuit doesn't workout for him.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:48 pm to The Mick
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Yes, it was self-imposed punishment by LSU which the NCAA agreed with/ allowed.
As I understand it, LSU initially tried to get by with a postseason ban and some recruiting/scholarship sanctions but the NCAA made clear that it wouldn’t be enough.
In other words, it’s not like LSU volunteered to forfeit a bunch of wins right off the bat.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:48 pm to The Mick
quote:Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Consider, however,
FWIW, I don't think he's a HOF coach . . . .
The following coaches who coached at LSU are in the College Football Hall of Fame:
Dana X. Bible
Mike Donahue
Biff Jones
Charles McClendon
Bernie Moore
Other head coaches in the College Football Hall of Fame:
Frank Solich
Mark Dantonio
Paul Johnson
Mark Richt
Bill Snyder
Bob Stoops
Frank Beamer
Gary Pinkel
Dennis Erickson
Joe Paterno
Jim Tressel
Mike Bellotti
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:49 pm to The Mick
Stupid as it may sound....but could LSU, with CBK's permission allow Miles to just walk the sidelines as a guest head coach for a couple of cupcake games and give the old man what he deserves. I do not know?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:50 pm to mike4lsu
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Stupid as it may sound..
you are correct on this point
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:52 pm to JimTiger72
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Even with the vacated wins, he was sitting at 105-55 (.656)
He went to Kansas & his 3-18 record puts him at 108-73 (.596)
Sucks to suck Leslie
Sports Reference shows him at 145-73 career. Subtracting the 34 vacated wins puts him at 111-73 (0.603).
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:54 pm to RobbBobb
When Les got the reprieve and carried off against Texas A&M to save his job you knew he wasn't going to budget after that.
Had he changed his ways and changed his style of play he might still be the coach at LSU and all the negative reports don't see the light of day assuming he kept Guice in line
Had he changed his ways and changed his style of play he might still be the coach at LSU and all the negative reports don't see the light of day assuming he kept Guice in line
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