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re: Les Miles = Ron Zook

Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:42 am to
Posted by Tyger1919
Pineville
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:42 am to
Ok so if we say he is like fulmer then we are happy with 1 NC in 20 years and just a good season here and there and the rest average?

Posted by Papa Purple and Gold
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
11197 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:52 am to
yeah, if he's like Phil, then he's going to continue to do just enough to keep saving his job.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:54 am to
maybe in the perception of the fans. that guy had some GREAT seasons at tenn.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:55 am to
totally hilarious how once the coker comparison is shot down, let's switch to zook.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23408 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:56 am to
In Miles' defense over Fulmer, Fulmer waited way too long to make a change on offense after Cutcliff, and when he did make the change, he completely screwed it up. This combo lead directly to his demise at UT. Miles has made many mistakes, but at least he made immediate changes last year rather than letting things "fix themselves." I think Miles will do so again this year with the offensive staff. Miles will then be out of excuses a lot faster than Fulmer was, though.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 11:02 am to
i also think that later on, fulmer lost touch with something; whether it was the game as a whole or his ability to adapt. only time will tell if miles suffers the same fate. but lsu right now somewhat resembles tenn in the late 90's/early 00's.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59131 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 11:03 am to
So your stupid analogy has been blown to pieces, so now you are changing the topic?
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59131 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 11:11 am to
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i also think that later on, fulmer lost touch with something; whether it was the game as a whole or his ability to adapt. only time will tell if miles suffers the same fate. but lsu right now somewhat resembles tenn in the late 90's/early 00's.


Fulmer is really the best analogy. They were an elite team in the mid to late 90's, several top 10 seasons topped off with a NC in 98 and won 2 SEC C, 98 and 97. After winning the NC in 98 they went 9-3, 8-4. In 2001 they would have been in the BCS CG but lost to LSU in the SEC CG. They were good after that, played in 2 more SEC CG, but have not been to a BCS bowl since 98. Is that where LSU is headed? Stay tuned.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 11:12 am to
Les Miles is like Les Miles....stop trying to compare him to other coaches just to prove your argument against him.

He's had a bad 2 year run (due to rookie QB's), but he's a players coach, hes one of the best recruiters in the country, give him an experienced QB and he will beat anyone in the country, and he's proven that he's not scared to fire someone if it's whats best for the team.
This post was edited on 12/4/09 at 11:14 am
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 11:22 am to
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Les Miles is like Les Miles....stop trying to compare him to other coaches just to prove your argument against him.
i totally agree and i'm definitely not "against" him. he's going to have a tenure that's mostly unique. but there are some similarities and i was just pointing that out for the sake of discussion
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23408 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 11:35 am to
I wouldn't say comparing Miles to Mack Brown is bad. Hell, he's about to head into his second BCS title game. The similarities that are there between then give me a little hope that Miles can wise up, be more flexible, and with the right players and staff around him, get LSU back on the road to big-time success. I sincerely HOPE that Les Miles is like Mack Brown.
Posted by That LSU Guy
The beach
Member since Jul 2008
11452 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

Les Miles = Ron Zook
WTF?
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35661 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

it was a fluke we ended up in the NC that year

quote:

Not really.


It had never happened before in the history of college football and will probably never happen again.

Naah, that's not a fluke.
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Denham Springs
Member since Oct 2003
5373 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

In 2003 and 2007, when it came down to crunch time LSU did what it had to do and the other teams didn't.


You mean like when it came down to crunch time they beat an unranked Arkansas team?

Oh wait...
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35661 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

but have not been to a BCS bowl since 98. Is that where LSU is headed?


Unfortunately, under Miles, yes.
Posted by LSUcrawfish
St George,Louisiana
Member since Feb 2007
4301 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 12:16 pm to
Les Miles = Ron Zook



Another Saban Lover
Posted by KC Tiger
Member since Sep 2006
4617 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

do believe he did have a 2 loss season just like lsu did, come on you know it was a fluke we ended up in the NC that year


By that logic, you could make the same argument about the 2003 team.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32455 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

yeah, if he's like Phil, then he's going to continue to do just enough to keep saving his job.

Perfect description of Miles. LSU football adopts his milquetoast mentality.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

It had never happened before in the history of college football and will probably never happen again.

Naah, that's not a fluke


So you're saying that it would have been a fluke for any other team that deserved it to be in that game too then.
Posted by lsu07fan
Member since May 2009
167 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 1:03 pm to
When we beat Joe Pa, we will be 10-3 and ranked in Top 10..IMO that is a very solid season.

Did everyone really expect this team to go 12-1 or 13-0. NO!!

So STFU all the haters
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