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Posted on 2/14/11 at 12:29 pm to cj2002
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Because he took another job makes him a bad coach? That is straight up dumb. Had he stayed I say we would have 3 NC since 03.
It doesn't make him a bad coach, it makes him worse than if he had stayed. How does Lane Kiffin look right now? Better or worse for moving from team to team? Your boyfriend Nick seems to be explaining it well, but I bet it was hard convincing those first few years of recruits he'd be in it for the long haul after swapping jobs as fast as he did.
Shove your "had he stayed" BS, he didn't stay, and he doesn't have 3 imaginary national championships since 2003. But my statement was dumb.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 12:57 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:Answer truthfully to who has taken LSU to highest level in the last 11 years.
by built I only mean he has taking us to a level that I have never seen in my 30+ years as an LSU fan.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 1:28 pm to Mayhawman
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Answer truthfully to who has taken LSU to highest level in the last 11 years.
Miles has the best overall record.
Saban has the best season.
Both have excelled greatly while at LSU. At this point in time I give Saban the edge since he made us into a winner.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 2:00 pm to Topwater Trout
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Both have excelled greatly while at LSU.
I'll add that our OOC scheduling has strengthened somewhat since the early 2000s imo.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 2:24 pm to Mayhawman
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I'll add that our OOC scheduling has strengthened somewhat since the early 2000s imo
no doubt. As strong as the SEC is I almost wish we went back to some easy wins but I don't think opposing fanbases can say LSU is afraid to play anyone now.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 2:44 pm to Topwater Trout
Why does it make a coach a bad guy if he leaves a team. I could be wrong but i believe 99% of coaches leave a school in their history. I guess Les is a bad guy for leaving Ok St. or is it just bad to leave LSU? This argument is stupid Les is a good coach and so is Saban, but Les will win 9 or 10 every year and maybe a sec champion again. we wont win anther two loss NC again.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 2:50 pm to Tyger1919
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Why does it make a coach a bad guy if he leaves a team.
I don't get this attitude either. I can see hating on a coach who came in and lost and hurt the program or left to go to a rival.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 3:15 pm to Tyger1919
Again, not a *bad* guy, a *worse* guy than if he or she had stayed.
Lol, Tyger, is that 1% reserved for Joe Pa, who will actually die and be buried on the field during a game?
In the eyes of the OSU fans who wanted Les to stay, it undoubtedly makes him less fondly remembered coach, just as most Lsu fans got ever-so-slightly more attached to him when he made Michigan's collective faces tight for the second time.
Lol, Tyger, is that 1% reserved for Joe Pa, who will actually die and be buried on the field during a game?
In the eyes of the OSU fans who wanted Les to stay, it undoubtedly makes him less fondly remembered coach, just as most Lsu fans got ever-so-slightly more attached to him when he made Michigan's collective faces tight for the second time.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 3:18 pm to Rocket
quote:What does bama have to do with a thread about LSU? bama won 14 games last year? wtf! :boggled:
He's also pulled 2 back to back undefeated regular seasons at Bama and won 14 games last year.
This post was edited on 2/14/11 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 2/14/11 at 3:22 pm to Topwater Trout
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Show me one example of Miles taking a loser to a national champion
I don't have to give you any examples. My point is that it is harder to sustain a program then build one.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 3:44 pm to dreaux
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My point is that it is harder to sustain a program then build one.
So how come we don't see teams come out of nowhere to compete for national titles? Why is it always the same group of teams year in year out compteting for the title?
Posted on 2/14/11 at 3:48 pm to Topwater Trout
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So how come we don't see teams come out of nowhere to compete for national titles? Why is it always the same group of teams year in year out compteting for the title?
Perhaps you should investigate the powerhouse that is the Oregon Ducks.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 3:50 pm to Hitchcock
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Perhaps you should investigate the powerhouse that is the Oregon Ducks
Their program has good over the last 10 years. Had their qb not been hurt in 07 they would have played in BCSCG
Oh and with a new coach they have sustained what Belloti had built....interesting.
This post was edited on 2/14/11 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 2/14/11 at 3:52 pm to Topwater Trout
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iles has the best overall record.
Saban has the best season.
Both have excelled greatly while at LSU. At this point in time I give Saban the edge since he made us into a winner.
Saban posted 4 single win seasons out of 5.
Needed a Bowl game against Illiois to get his 10th win in 2001.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 3:54 pm to Hitchcock
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Saban posted 4 single win seasons out of 5.
Needed a Bowl game against Illiois to get his 10th win in 2001.
And? He also had to turn the program around. Miles didn't have to come in and change recruits perception of LSU or change the existing players attitudes to believe they can win. Winning attitude had already been instilled in the players.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 3:55 pm to Topwater Trout
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Their program has good over the last 10 years.
They call t the PAC 1, because of mighty Oregon?
Oregon thrashed USC most of the decade did they?
Posted on 2/14/11 at 3:55 pm to golf teaching pro
quote:Then why haven't more of Saban's assistants left him to become head coaches? The only assistant he's ever had leave his employ to take a head coaching job is Derek Dooley taking over La. Tech. Muschamp went to Auburn before becoming "HC in waiting" at Texas, and Jimbo worked for Miles before being offered the FSU "HC in waiting" job.
Saban made muschamp and has developed assistants far better than miles has
Pelini, Jimbo and Peveto have all went directly from assisting on Miles' staff to head coaching (or "HC in waiting") somewhere else. Seems like working for Miles prepares guys pretty well for taking over programs, and working for Saban prepares guys pretty well to become an assistant to someone else where they can learn to take over a program . . .
Posted on 2/14/11 at 3:59 pm to Hitchcock
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They call t the PAC 1, because of mighty Oregon?
Oregon thrashed USC most of the decade did they?
So Oregon has not been considered one of the elite teams in the last 10 years? Losing to USC isn't exactly an embarassment....hell we lose to ole miss and arky....didn't usc beat arky 70-14? Oregon did not come out of no where they have been close for years.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 4:01 pm to Topwater Trout
Both are difficult. For some reason, everyone thinks Miles has it easy at LSU. No, it is very difficult to sustain a program. (As it is to build one)
To build a program you need a good recruiting base, tons of support from administration and fans, and upgrade facilities and/or stadiums. But there are no extremley high expectations. The only thing expected when you are 'rebuilding' is improvement.
Sustaining a program is a totally different story. There is no end. You are constantly graded every year on your overall performance, and it's only a matter of time before the breaks don't go your way for a season and people start freaking out about the job you're doing. I personally think sustaining a program is harder because you are dealing with very high expectations every year and any hint of poor play will result in being on the hotseat. Its more stressful when you KNOW you can win a championship, as opposed to when you are 'rebuilding' you aren't expecting as much.
To build a program you need a good recruiting base, tons of support from administration and fans, and upgrade facilities and/or stadiums. But there are no extremley high expectations. The only thing expected when you are 'rebuilding' is improvement.
Sustaining a program is a totally different story. There is no end. You are constantly graded every year on your overall performance, and it's only a matter of time before the breaks don't go your way for a season and people start freaking out about the job you're doing. I personally think sustaining a program is harder because you are dealing with very high expectations every year and any hint of poor play will result in being on the hotseat. Its more stressful when you KNOW you can win a championship, as opposed to when you are 'rebuilding' you aren't expecting as much.
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