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re: Laser, optical, electronic strike zone
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:23 pm to ThePoo
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:23 pm to ThePoo
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how would this technology adjust to different batters who have differnt strike zones?
There's always one practical smart arse in every crowd... except the rant... you're not welcome here!
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Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:24 pm to Ragged Tiger
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Agreeing to disagree is "you say toh-may-toh, I say toh-mah-toh". This appears to be an instance of you saying "its an apple" and him saying "its a fricking orange, dipshit."
Wow, that was horrible.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:26 pm to Rex
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it seems to me that the machine could at least call whether the ball has actually crossed the plate. Even if an ump is necessary to call whether it's high or low I think halfway is still better than no way.
Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux just texted me and told me to tell you..."Go to hell!".
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:26 pm to RummelTiger
quote:Anyone who has watched or played baseball at or above a high school level would notice the strike zone the umpire calls is largely unaffected by the height of the batter. Rarely, if ever, do you see an ump call a ball in the dirt or above the catcher's helmet b/c of the height of the batter. From my experience as both a pitcher and as a fan of baseball at all levels, a strike is a strike no matter the height of the batter.
How would you account for different size strike zones?
The exceptions to this rule are usually seen in little league games where there are large disparities in the heights of the batters (and often poor umpiring).
This post was edited on 6/25/09 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:26 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:Well, I couldn't figure out how to work in an insult about a tiny pecker or a robot reference, so it wasn't all it could have been.
Wow, that was horrible.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:26 pm to Rex
The availability of something even remotely resembling a fair and consistent strike zone would improve all levels of baseball at least 10,000,000%. Watching games allegedly of such import be wholely decided by some dude's opinion of whether a pitch should have been a strike or not (utterly regardless of where the path of the ball actually took it) is absolutely laughable. It is beyond obvious that the only reason to keep umpires making those calls would be to facilitate fixing games and situations to the advantage of whoever owns the umpires.
The only "human element" umpires add to baseball is, in the best of cases, the human element of mistakes that unfairly impact games that are supposed to be decided by the players and coaches; and in the worst cases, the human element of cheating, which is not wanted by anyone (except possibly the people making sure umpires stay in control of the games).
The only "human element" umpires add to baseball is, in the best of cases, the human element of mistakes that unfairly impact games that are supposed to be decided by the players and coaches; and in the worst cases, the human element of cheating, which is not wanted by anyone (except possibly the people making sure umpires stay in control of the games).
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:28 pm to FrisceauxTiger
quote:How does making the strike zone a consistent and fair target compare to taking a player out of the game and replacing him with a machine? Are you comparing the umpires to players on the team, with a fighting interest in determining the outcome? That's an odd defense . . .
might as well put a pitching machine on the mound
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:32 pm to King Joey
quote:That's pretty much exactly what is trying to be relayed. Keep reading the thread. It's hilarious.
King Joey
Back to the Michael Jackson is Dead threads.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:34 pm to PnG Exsanguination
Can someone kill this fu@king thread???? We won a title last night and now this????
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:35 pm to FrisceauxTiger
quote:So you're saying the rules of baseball are a bad thing (you know, the ones that say the strike zone is supposed to be determined by things OTHER than the umpires "feel", things like the position of the ball relative to the plate, etc.?).
an umpire's emotions, his feel for the pace and character of a particular game influence his strike zone
Your argument is exactly why there SHOULD be a strike zone machine. Umpires making shite up as they go rather than even attempting to call the strike zone as it is defined in the rules is a very, very large part of what makes major league baseball basically unwatchable.
quote:So were bellbottoms, McCarthyism, 142 game seasons, no wild cards and pitcher's batting in both leagues. Those things all changed, so can this. The only difference is that some of those other changes could be argued to be bad ones. This one cannot. There is no advantage to having a subjective strike zone over an objective one except the ability to unfairly influence games. Period.
the image of a batter with the catcher and ump behind the plate is iconic. its American
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:37 pm to FrisceauxTiger
quote:Sooooo . . . incorrectly calls balls and strikes are a positive element of the game?
It would similarly destroy a substantial human element of the game.
Gotcha.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:39 pm to King Joey
I'm going to go out on a limb and say those in favor are 5'8 or shorter and have suffered their whole lives will small man syndrome. You are threatened by people who make decisions that may affect you and desperately want to change them.
Ask people who play the game and who make it their living and I guarantee a strong majority will not give you the satisfaction on commenting on this idea.
I'm sorry if you were always picked last on teams, or if daddy didn't hug you enough when you were young, but some things need to just be the way they were designed.
I hate bad calls just as much as you, but it is what it is. Yell at the ump, get mad for a minute, and then let it go. Thats a great trait of LSU fans is that when a bad call is made, they let the ump know it and it often can create some fire in both the fans and the team to enable them to step up their play to counteract a bad call and make sure another isn't made.
You would hear crickets in the crowd if fans didn't have a reason to cheer, bitch, yell, and cuss.
Ask people who play the game and who make it their living and I guarantee a strong majority will not give you the satisfaction on commenting on this idea.
I'm sorry if you were always picked last on teams, or if daddy didn't hug you enough when you were young, but some things need to just be the way they were designed.
I hate bad calls just as much as you, but it is what it is. Yell at the ump, get mad for a minute, and then let it go. Thats a great trait of LSU fans is that when a bad call is made, they let the ump know it and it often can create some fire in both the fans and the team to enable them to step up their play to counteract a bad call and make sure another isn't made.
You would hear crickets in the crowd if fans didn't have a reason to cheer, bitch, yell, and cuss.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:40 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:So the players are not a human element? How about the coaches? You are insisting that the only "human element" of the game is the one where balls and strikes are called incorrectly. You are an idiot.
Its a game, not a science project. If you want uniform results with no human element (as the game was intended),
And if the game "intended" the balls and strikes to be called other than the way they are defined in the rules, then why are they defined in the rules at all? If the umpires discretion is intended to be a "human element" in the game, then why don't the rules just say that a ball is whatever the umpire decides should be a ball and a strike is whatever the umpire decides should be a strike? Why even bother with describing a strike zone if it is not intended to be followed?
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:40 pm to King Joey
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The only "human element" umpires add to baseball is, in the best of cases, the human element of mistakes that unfairly impact games that are supposed to be decided by the players and coaches; and in the worst cases, the human element of cheating, which is not wanted by anyone (except possibly the people making sure umpires stay in control of the games).
Well stated.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:43 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:Then why is the strike zone defined at all? If it is intended that a ball that is thrown outside the strike zone be called a strike anyway because the ump feels like it, then why did they bother defining the strike zone at all?
It is PART OF THE GAME, something you wouldn't understand.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:45 pm to FrisceauxTiger
quote:Then one of us has an amazingly unusual assortment of acquaintences. I know several people who have played (and I'm only counting those who played past high school level), and the vast majority of them agree than eliminating incorrect calls would be better for the game.
uh huh. I don't know anyone who has ever played who thinks computerizing the method of calling balls and strikes in order to have fewer "bad calls" would be better for baseball.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:48 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
Bunch of unqualified name calling from a double digit poster/alter quote:
You would hear crickets in the crowd if fans didn't have a reason to cheer, bitch, yell, and cuss.
Certainly, because fans don't cheer when their team gets a home run, bitch when their pitcher can't strike a batter out, yell at opposing players in the outfield, or cuss when their team loses the game. You know, things that are truly the sport of baseball. They only direct those action toward the umpire.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:49 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:No, this is a better idea: let's leave the "HUMAN ELEMENT" up the the HUMAN players and HUMAN coaches. When I go to watch a Cubs vs. Nationals game, I'm there to watch the HUMANS in Cubs uniforms and the HUMANS in Nationals uniforms compete to decide who wins the game. I'm not there to watch the HUMANS in umpires uniforms change the outcome be ignoring the rules.
Hey I got an idea, lets create 9 robots plus an additional umpire robot and we can just watch a simulation of baseball.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:51 pm to King Joey
baseball is a game of skill. you guys probably didn't make it to the level where pitchers are taught to expand the strikezone by hitting their corners and generating movement on their pitches to give them an edge...like wise catchers are taught to frame pitches and help a pitcher get more calls....its actually called strategy which is pretty important in games.
If there was a rigid strikezone as you rule book nazis are suggesting and crying for...then you would have an exciting game of batters standing in the box with the bat on their shoulders waiting for your "rule book" pitch...
we could just set up a tee and let the batter adjust it to what would be their strike zone as designated by the rule book? no?
let the idiot comments rain....but you are a bunch of fricking morons.
If there was a rigid strikezone as you rule book nazis are suggesting and crying for...then you would have an exciting game of batters standing in the box with the bat on their shoulders waiting for your "rule book" pitch...
we could just set up a tee and let the batter adjust it to what would be their strike zone as designated by the rule book? no?
let the idiot comments rain....but you are a bunch of fricking morons.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:53 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:I really cannot believe you are using this to justify your inane argument. If the game is about skill, then it should only be about skill, not judgment! Eliminating the human error of judgment purifies the contest of skill.
baseball is a game of skill.
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