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re: Laser, optical, electronic strike zone
Posted on 6/25/09 at 4:57 pm to Tigreat
Posted on 6/25/09 at 4:57 pm to Tigreat
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It is the first one. The umpires are going to make calls that you don't agree with. That happens in all sports. But remove that human element I can guarantee you that baseball, which is already suffering badly, will fall apart. Hell, as a fan half of the fun of being at a baseball game is yelling at the ump for calls that you didn't agree with. Calls will not always go your way, that is with everything in life.
I completely understand your POV, I just disagree with it. hahaha
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Also, in my opinion, I want to keep baseball as technology free as possible. Don't get me wrong, it works out great for football when determining distance, catches, tds, etc., but outside of determining whether or not the hit was a hr, I don't want a computer interfering with my favorite sport.
With this I tend to want to agree, as I'm a traditionalist when it comes to sports...ESPECIALLY baseball. It's why I've always hated artifical bats, and have basically respected the way MLB has tried desperately to keep the game consistient throughout the various eras. I just don;t see getting calls as correct as possible as the same thing as allowing aluminum bats, or turning their eyes away from KNOWING half the league is roided uo but giving it a wink and a nob because big HR number put asses in the seats. Using technology to get calls right, I think, would do nothing but lend credibility to the game...not hurt it.
Also, thanks for being the one person in this discussion that didn't feel the need to show their arse and suggest that anyone who thought technology could play a part in this has never played...buncha' idiots.
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Posted on 6/25/09 at 4:58 pm to Tigreat
quote:I don't find this fun at all. I enjoy the evenly matched skill vs. skill with no prejudice or outside influences.
Hell, as a fan half of the fun of being at a baseball game is yelling at the ump for calls that you didn't agree with
I would never want LSU to win the Championship solely because the umps/refs were calling the game in favor of us. Its a hollow victory. I want us to win because we are the best on the field. Period.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 4:58 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
College baseball adopted aluminum bats and then even changed those. Is that use of technology?
Posted on 6/25/09 at 4:59 pm to drizztiger
Are these dumb f--ks still trying to argue that making correct calls is bad for baseball?
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:00 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
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Anyone who has ever played past a level where mommy had to drop you off at practice would not be in favor of this ridiculous suggestion. And if you did, and you are still in favor, you must have rode the pine and polished the balls for the true players who played the game....
Hey I got an idea, lets create 9 robots plus an additional umpire robot and we can just watch a simulation of baseball. No call would ever be wrong and when the inning is over, the robots don't even have to leave the field....just digitally change their uniforms and play the bottom half of the inning....???
This dude is the winner of this thread.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:01 pm to Ragged Tiger
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Hell, as a fan half of the fun of being at a baseball game is yelling at the ump for calls that you didn't agree with
It's somewhat fun until one of those calls ends up costing you a berth in a regional/pennant/world series.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:01 pm to Tigreat
quote:base hits, home runs, put outs, batting average, strike outs... pretty much whatever happens every trip the batter makes to the plate.
Also, what is it in baseball that the umpire's calls take away from the players?
I don't want the game stopped down for 30 minutes to review instant replay. If that's what you're opposed to then your argument has merit. But anyone who WANTS there to be missed calls in baseball, that somehow missed calls makes baseball better... I'm sorry, you're riding on the short bus.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:02 pm to drizztiger
good point about the bats... although they were altered for safety reasons.
There are always going to be two schools of thought, modern and traditionalist. And people from each school of thought aren't going to give any ground in their arguments as you can see from this thread.
Purely a case of "agree to disagree."
There are always going to be two schools of thought, modern and traditionalist. And people from each school of thought aren't going to give any ground in their arguments as you can see from this thread.
Purely a case of "agree to disagree."
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:03 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Also, thanks for being the one person in this discussion that didn't feel the need to show their arse and suggest that anyone who thought technology could play a part in this has never played...buncha' idiots.
No problem. I won't lie, I understand your pov and can agree with some of the points that you made. I am also a strong traditionalist when it comes to sports.
I can agree to disagree with you.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:04 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:
Purely a case of "agree to disagree."
You actually just wrote that after your first six posts in the thread?
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:08 pm to PnG Exsanguination
I still don't understand why there is no replay in college baseball.
Bad calls by umps are avoidable.
Bad calls by umps are avoidable.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:09 pm to lynxcat
quote:Read this thread and it should become clear to you.
I still don't understand why there is no replay in college baseball.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:09 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:i'm not agreeing to disagree. i think anyone who says "bad calls make baseball better" is a retard - and no one who differs with my opinion has provided one good reason how an ump missing a call makes a game better.
Purely a case of "agree to disagree."
if you simply like the tradition of baseball and don't want any changes then say so. But don't act like the game is "better" because umps miss calls. That's just preposterous.
Analogy "I like my old car better than your new car even though it burns more oil, breaks down more often, gets worse gas mileage, and makes a lot of noise." That's okay - you have a personal preference, nothing wrong with that. But don't act like there's any logical merit to your stance other than your personal preference. The game is BETTER when all the calls are RIGHT. No one with an iota of intelligence can disagree with that.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:10 pm to Rex
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Suppose LSU has to adjust more than Texas because the referee has an agenda, or because he subconsciously favors one team over another?
I think a good compromise for the traditionalist that like to have the players adjust to an umps strike zone and the guys that would like complete accuracy in calling balls and strikes would be to have a slightly odd shaped strike zone that is called by the machines.
For every game the strike zone could be slightly altered to represent the human part of the game and would make it a necessary skill of a player to have to slightly adjust his swing. Being able to adjust your swing to an odd strike zone is a part of the skill set a baseball player needs pro-computer guys.
For the pro-coputer guys you will have all of the accuracy that you desire with the computer calling the strike zone no matter how slightly skewed it is.
PROBLEM SOLVED. Go in peace.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:11 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
quote:I prefer the "9 robots" suggestion over this.
I think a good compromise
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:15 pm to Ragged Tiger
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I prefer the "9 robots" suggestion over this.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:15 pm to Lou
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i'm not agreeing to disagree. i think anyone who says "bad calls make baseball better" is a retard - and no one who differs with my opinion has provided one good reason how an ump missing a call makes a game better.
if you simply like the tradition of baseball and don't want any changes then say so. But don't act like the game is "better" because umps miss calls. That's just preposterous.
Analogy "I like my old car better than your new car even though it burns more oil, breaks down more often, gets worse gas mileage, and makes a lot of noise." That's okay - you have a personal preference, nothing wrong with that. But don't act like there's any logical merit to your stance other than your personal preference. The game is BETTER when all the calls are RIGHT. No one with an iota of intelligence can disagree with that.
Your not agreeing to disagree? Then what are you doing? It only takes an "iota" of intelligence to figure this one out. You have your way, I have mine....neither of us like eachothers...so it can be agreed that we disagree.
It is sad that this had to be explained. And I hope to god you weren't the guy that ridiculed my analogies...
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:16 pm to Ragged Tiger
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I prefer the "9 robots" suggestion over this.
Just consider my idea "plan B" in case the 9 robots thing doesn't work.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:18 pm to Lou
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Any questions ?
Just one. As a kid, when I caught one in the sac sans cup on a foul tip in practice, is that what makes baseball great, too?
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:22 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:Agreeing to disagree is "you say toh-may-toh, I say toh-mah-toh". This appears to be an instance of you saying "its an apple" and him saying "its a fricking orange, dipshit."
You have your way, I have mine....neither of us like eachothers...so it can be agreed that we disagree.
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