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re: Kelly’s Insubordination on firing Sloan

Posted on 10/26/25 at 11:30 pm to
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83226 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 11:30 pm to
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That’s a violation of his contract, therefore tort.


Now I think you’re just trolling us.
Posted by hometownhero89
Center of the Earth
Member since Aug 2007
2048 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 11:32 pm to
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/s/ jbraua Esq.


You one of those librarian lawyers? Or an ambulance chaser?
Posted by hometownhero89
Center of the Earth
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 10/26/25 at 11:38 pm to
If he committed infidelity it’s tort. If he was insubordinate, then it’s breach of contract.

Keep matching the right shape to the right hole there, big Lego.
Posted by ScotlandAve
Member since Dec 2024
456 posts
Posted on 10/26/25 at 11:44 pm to
If LSU tries to weasel out of BK’s buyout on account of him not firing an assistant that dog won’t hunt and will cause established coaches to not want the job.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83226 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 6:24 am to
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If he committed infidelity it’s tort. If he was insubordinate, then it’s breach of contract.

Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83226 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 6:27 am to
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They had to tip toe around a Texas hire because it’s not an at will state.

Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52479 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 6:31 am to
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Is a good chance of cause for termination.

Very unlikely. Sophisticated people negotiate their “for cause” contract sections to include redress, which is the chance to fix non-compliance before suffering consequences. Also, a guy like Kelly probably had complete control over his staff, assuming compensation is approved.

I expect that if Kelly did not have contractual control of his staff, then LSU would have had to formally notify him that he had to fire Sloan, then if he didn’t, they would have to notify him of his failure, under the contract and the consequences, then allow him the stipulated time to redress. Only then could they fire him for cause.
Posted by notbilly
alter
Member since Sep 2015
6763 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 6:49 am to
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Someone has a thread that says he wanted to fire Sloan but he didn’t want to fire Davis


We don’t know if that’s true. And if it was, I didn’t read it as Woodward protecting Davis. I read it as firing Davis wasn’t enough bc Sloan needed to go. Few people know the truth but the little we do know will be twisted every which way.
Posted by Amused Lurker
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2015
2152 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 6:50 am to
Yep. It's possible he's been forced to keep Davis which isn't good. I never understood why Davis was the only remaining holdover.

Ultimate, Kelly isn't negotiating this. Trace Armstrong is his agent and he's negotiating. There has been something going on behind the scenes for a couple of years and it finally blew up. We will never know the real story due to confidentiality agreements associated with buyouts, but it seems Kelly wants out for a reason.
This post was edited on 10/27/25 at 6:54 am
Posted by barbapapa
Member since Mar 2018
3805 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 6:54 am to
You haven’t read the contract lol
Posted by N2cars
Close by
Member since Feb 2008
38029 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 6:56 am to
No, it won't.

Nor will any of those moronic rumors be brought up.

He will get it all, unless he takes a lump sum.
The lump sum will likely release him from any "payback" if he gets another coaching job.


Our fan base, like the current state of our "top-tier " university, is embarrassing.


Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
11654 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 6:56 am to
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Section 4.A

LSU can terminate Kelly without any payment if he: 1. Engages in willful misconduct that materially harms LSU’s reputation or program.


I stopped reading there.


Not making the college football playoffs in 4 years, play like arse this season could be considered “misconduct that materially harms LSU’s reputation or program.” Especially since we have not seen any improvement week after week.

By not making college football playoffs and not even in the running year after year are harmful to the program and it’s reputation.
This post was edited on 10/27/25 at 6:58 am
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
20886 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 6:57 am to
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There has been something going on behind the scenes for a couple of years and it finally blew up.
This is the first I've heard of this. Interesting.

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but it seems Kelly wants out for a reason.
Will be fascinating if this is true. The obvious answer is that he realized he was never going to win a championship here. As others have pointed out, he had a couple of tough games a year at Notre Dame, here he has 6-7. Maybe he grossly underestimated what it was going to take to win here. Doesn't say much about him if he saw the challenge and bailed. That also doesn't reconcile with his alleged stated desire to coach again. It certainly doesn't seem like something that brings him joy.
Posted by TNoon
Member since Nov 2020
2837 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 7:03 am to
Kelly wanted out - he was done
Posted by Amused Lurker
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2015
2152 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 7:08 am to
Denbrock leaving Kelly is very telling. I know the public story, but it doesn't make sense when you had Nussmeier in the wings. Sloan was an easy hire but not a typical Kelly hire. There are things that have not added up for a couple of years.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83226 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 7:39 am to
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I stopped reading there.


Always good to only read one part of a contract and stop when you read something you like.
This post was edited on 10/27/25 at 9:02 am
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60750 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 8:25 am to
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but it doesn't make sense when you had Nussmeier in the wings.
Denbrock may have left because of this. Nuss makes an OC job hell even on a good day. On a bad day he gets you fired and coaching at Nevada.
Posted by Amused Lurker
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2015
2152 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 9:04 am to
From today’s perspective, Nuss is damaged goods. But two years ago, he was a hero coming out of the SEC championship and bowl game. Way ahead of JD5 when he arrived. I think Nuss would have thrived under Denbrock. And remember, the run blocking was just as bad under Denbrock although Campbell and Jones were good enough on their own to protect JD5 in the pass. The common denominator is Davis.
This post was edited on 10/27/25 at 9:05 am
Posted by QB
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
7856 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 11:00 am to
LSU isn't paying due to a moral clause infraction. Check out DD Breaux's daughter, his real estate agent. LSU has had this in their back pocket all along.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
10632 posts
Posted on 10/27/25 at 11:19 am to
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Is a good chance of cause for termination.



his contract specifically stated that he was responsible for Hiring and Firing of his staff (pending budget approvals).

period. it was his choice.
so while Woody can still fire him for it, he can't do so "with cause" because Kelly didn't break the contract.
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