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re: Judging this baseball season as a whole.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:01 am to LSUgrad08112
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:01 am to LSUgrad08112
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Given our resources and history? Yes he has. The only arguments against that are “muh funny game” and “muh parity” which are largely rant myths that are being repeated by the same people who don’t understand baseball or just how elite LSU baseball’s resources are compared to other programs.
It's possible to think we have underachieved the last two seasons while also recognizing baseball is a crazy game and there is more parity in the college game than ever.
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:02 am to lsu2006
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It's possible to think we have underachieved the last two seasons while also recognizing baseball is a crazy game and there is more parity in the college game than ever
This guy is so deep into the hate Mainieri narrative, that anybody who brings any rationale thinking to the table is a Mainieri homer and doesn't know baseball, even if that guy is Skip Bertman.
This post was edited on 6/11/19 at 10:04 am
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:03 am to lsu2006
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It's possible to think we have underachieved the last two seasons while also recognizing baseball is a crazy game and there is more parity in the college game than ever.
I've said it before, but there are a lot of people that have trouble acknowledging the new reality in which the coaches must work, and therefore think any mention of it is an excuse.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:05 am to ProjectP2294
quote:i've already responded to this but, you knew that already didn't you? again, even if you're going to say that multiple programs have caught up to lsu in this regard, pm is still not winning more than they are (saban is) and that is on him. there's no way to escape that he is ultimately responsible for the postseason results which are falling short (how short is debatable) of being the best. pm bots say it's negligible. critics say it's unacceptable. i just described the rant 2019
I'd like to see us doing something similar to what Wake Forest does with their lab
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:06 am to Hold That Tiger 10
Skip Bertman is an ambassador for LSU. Do you think that Donald Trump really had a great deal of respect for Hillary in 2016, or vice versa? Or that every MMA fighter thinks that their opponent was great after they knocked them out? That’s how public figures talk to the media, genius.
This is why I didn’t bother bringing up legitimate points to you and just stuck with calling you a fricking moron FYI- because you ignore everything of substance and throw out some feminine “but SKIP said this to the media so it MUST be true” argument every time anyone says anything that isn’t a gleaming arse kissing post about how LSU baseball is about to turn the corner
This is why I didn’t bother bringing up legitimate points to you and just stuck with calling you a fricking moron FYI- because you ignore everything of substance and throw out some feminine “but SKIP said this to the media so it MUST be true” argument every time anyone says anything that isn’t a gleaming arse kissing post about how LSU baseball is about to turn the corner
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:06 am to Hold That Tiger 10
quote:yep.
Michigan was a better team than UCLA?
Auburn was a better team than UNC?
quote:not on paper. who's fault is it that lsu lost a home super regional?
FSU was a better team than LSU?
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:06 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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They need to be looked at immediately. Questions need to be asked, and answers must be found. If either of the answers come up with Dunn or trainers being to blame,
Maybe I am naive but if he as really causing more harm than good to arms wouldn’t someone say something?
There are enough people around the program that I would think someone would speak up & point to put to CPM or the training staff, or if it’s the training staff someone would point it out to Dunn.
I do know they are very particular with who pitchers work with in the off season, but that is understandable.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:07 am to LSUgrad08112
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This isn’t your dad’s LSU baseball program anymore and most are too stupid to see how fast we’re about to fall off
This isn't your dad college baseball landscape anymore either. The days of any college baseball team being dominate like the LSU teams of the 90's is over. I think we should have crazy high expectations at LSU, but I'm also level headed enough to know that going to Omaha multiple years in a row is probably a thing of the past.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:08 am to LSUgrad08112
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you ignore everything of substance and throw out some feminine “but SKIP said this to the media so it MUST be true”
Geez man. You have provided nothing of substance at all in this entire thread. And now you are down playing what Skip said because you don't want to believe it. You are ridiculous. Not even worth engaging with your dumbass anymore.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:10 am to LSUgrad08112
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because you ignore everything of substance and throw out some feminine “but SKIP said this to the media so it MUST be true” argument every time anyone says anything that isn’t a gleaming arse kissing post about how LSU baseball is about to turn the corner
Are you going to actually try and refute the fact that there is more parity in the college game now than ever, or are you just going to keep doing... whatever this is?
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:12 am to LSUgrad08112
quote:this is a point i've been making too. other programs are keeping up in the fb arms race but saban CONTINUES to outperform them all, especially when looking at multiple years. he is responsible for keeping the premier program #1 in results
Would you be saying that Alabama football’s next head coach was mediocre if
i agree with project that other programs have started to invest in baseball. however, if they are closing the gap, that means that pm is contributing to lsu standing still and he's still not winning more at the cws than several other programs and the gap is starting to widen. we're going in the wrong direction.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:12 am to LSUJML
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Maybe I am naive but if he as really causing more harm than good to arms wouldn’t someone say something?
There are enough people around the program that I would think someone would speak up & point to put to CPM or the training staff, or if it’s the training staff someone would point it out to Dunn
I don't disagree with you one bit. My uneducated opinion is that Dunn isn't doing anything to hurt pitchers. However, I don't know enough about what he does with pitchers outside of games, to be able to make a definitive statement. If I sit here and say, "No way Dunn is causing injuries" then I'm no better than the people who I call out for saying, "Dunn is over working pitchers in practice."
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:12 am to lsu2006
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recognizing baseball is a crazy game
It is. There’s just the fact that the rantards only use that phrase in a way that benefits Mainieri.
Do you think that “muh crazy game” applies to a team that was largely dog shite all season long in 2016, only to catch fire in the supers and make it to the championship series despite their following our recent trend of mediocrity? That’s a good example of college baseball being crazy but it doesn’t benefit Mainieri so everybody ignores it and will downvote me to hell for even implying that Mainieri benefited from “muh crazy game”
It isn’t like I’m making things up. We’ve been a 20+ loss team for 4 years in a row now, and we certainly haven’t looked good while doing it for the most part. Is this a fair assessment?
There was a lot of parity in college baseball pre-LSU and college football pre-Alabama too, btw. That’s kind of how things tend to be when the dominant program declines and a new dominant program hasn’t emerged yet. It’s cyclical and you can see it in every major sport
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:14 am to lsu2006
quote:lsu is still #1 in budget, resources, etc. lsu should be winning more at the cws than anyone else, especially over a longer time period. other programs are improving while lsu is standing still.
there is more parity in the college game than ever
also, for the "pm can't be expected to win nc's every season" crowd - there is something in between the 90's and where lsu is at right now. and lsu isn't achieving that. several other programs are. why are people ok with that?
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:15 am to ProjectP2294
quote:tell me what i've said that's factually incorrect.
the new reality in which the coaches must work, and therefore think any mention of it is an excuse
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:15 am to bfniii
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why are people ok with that?
Point out the people that are perfectly ok with the results of this season.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:15 am to lsu2006
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there is more parity in the college game now than ever
There’s actually less talent in college baseball than ever due to the MLB gutting high school talent and we’re one of the only schools in the country who has the resources to draw elite kids from the MLB with our absolute abundance of resources, but sure. I think the parity argument is idiotic on a lot of different levels when you get down to it and break down why there’s parity and how LSU could benefit from it but whatever
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:15 am to Hold That Tiger 10
Your to-this-point reasonable thread with good discussion is about to deteriorate rapidly.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:16 am to Glock17
quote:but is there something in between that and where lsu is now? the answer is yes because several other programs are there. why isn't the premier program there?
going to Omaha multiple years in a row is probably a thing of the past.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:17 am to Hold That Tiger 10
Parity in college baseball continues to be a factor . It brings those down low , up . And those up high down . High schoolers want to play immediately out of high school . They are not as willing to wait their “turn” anymore .
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