re: Josh Dworaczyk - gone or medical RS possible?

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Were it not for the NCAA's ability to waive the 5 year rule, JD's eligibility to play college football will have expired. JD's case involves a waiver of the 5 year rule (i.e., a 6th year of eligibility). I believe you are talking about the same concept but using different terminology.

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No, it's a different concept. You can get a "medical redshirt" without getting an extension of the five-year eligibility window.

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There are no "medical" redshirts in the NCAA. They are all simply redshirts. Your reason for taking it is irrelevant to the NCAA.



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You will not find the term medical redshirt anywhere in the NCAA bylaws. In fact, you will only find the term "redshirt" once.

People erroneously throw out the term "medical redshirt", but it does not exist. The NCAA does not care why you took your redshirt. The NCAA does care why you were unable to fit 4 years of competition in the 5-year window. So, you can call it a medical redshirt or a redshirt, but the NCAA does not care. Rather, they are interested in documentation showing that you could not perform in at least 2 out of your 5 seasons for medical reasons. JD should have an open and shut case for that, but the NCAA has done stranger things...

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People erroneously throw out the term "medical redshirt", but it does not exist. The NCAA does not care why you took your redshirt.

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OK, but the conference does if you have taken a snap.

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He participated in the senior day ceremonies; he is gone.

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OK, but the conference does if you have taken a snap.

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I think we are confusing the terms.

A redshirt year is when a student-athlete does not play for reasons within his control.

A hardship waiver can be granted for the following reasons:

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(a) The incapacitating injury or illness occurs in one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition at any two- year or four-year collegiate institutions or occurs after the first day of classes in the student-athlete’s senior year in high school; (Revised: 1/10/92 effective 8/1/92, 11/1/01, 8/8/02)

(b) The injury or illness occurs prior to the first competition of the second half of the playing season that con- cludes with the NCAA championship in that sport (see Bylaw 14.2.4.3.4) and results in incapacity to com- pete for the remainder of that playing season; (Revised: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 4/3/02, 4/24/08)

(c) In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the institution’s scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport. Only scheduled or completed competition against outside participants during the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship, or, if so designated, during the official NCAA championship playing season in that sport (e.g., spring baseball, fall soccer), shall be countable under this limitation in calculating both the number of contests or dates of competition in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition during that season in the sport. Dates of competition that are exempted (e.g., alumni contests, foreign team in the United States.) from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition shall count toward the number of contests or dates in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competi- tion in the season, except for scrimmages and exhibition contests that are specifically identified as such in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations. Scrimmages and exhibition contests that are not exempted from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition may be excluded from the calculation only if they are identified as such by in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations; and (Revised: 1/10/92, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 3/10/04, 5/11/05, 8/4/05, 4/26/07, 9/18/07, 4/24/08)

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I don't even know if it's yet certain that he would be physically able to play even if he were given a 6th year.

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Supposedly his rehab has gone very well and is ahead of schedule. It was not nearly as severe some posters on here believe it was. In fact, it was first thought that once the MCL healed, he would be able to play this year.

As a refresher, this is the normal procedure for a student-athlete in JD's situation:

1) Ask the coaching staff if they will extend your scholarship for the 6th year. After all, what good is the additional eligibility if LSU doesn't want to have you back. That is why someone like Ryan St. Julien will graduate this year and LSU will not pursue any waivers for him.

2) Finish your original eligibility in the sports. For JD and football, this will happen after the NCAA Championship, also known as the BCS National Championship

3) Submit your case to the NCAA Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement along with medical documentation.

4) Await the ruling from the committee.

5) Get denied and train hard in an attempt to make an NFL team during training camp.

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6) Get the waiver of the 5-yr rule and come back for your senior year and help the team win 29 straight.

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People erroneously throw out the term "medical redshirt", but it does not exist.

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agree, but the term is commonly used so I misunderstood what your point. My point, however, is that if you miss the entire season because of injury, you would probably want to apply for the hardship in order to more easily make the case for a 6th year.

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I'm assuming that he won't be 100%, beyond a shadow of a doubt, at the time they would need to submit paperwork

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I understand your assumption, but from what I understand Dr. Bankston and the LSU staff have every intention of applying for the 5-yr rule waiver and extending JD's scholarship for a 6th year.

Honestly
Do you guys just make all this stuff up?We are close firends with Josh and his family
It was not a ACL
He is recovering ahead of schedule because he is a great young man who has tremendous work ethic
He is applying for a 6th year at the end of the year and that will be determined by the NCAA He wants another year and CLM wants him back and he will likely be near 100% when done
Normally just read posts here but could not take any more

Thanks Jagged.