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re: Jordan Jefferson (This Year and Last)
Posted on 10/18/10 at 6:39 pm to OBUDan
Posted on 10/18/10 at 6:39 pm to OBUDan
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He made some decent steps last year, which gave some of us cause to believe he may have a very good year. Unfortunately, he completely went backwards.
He's really not that much different
Remember the 34 sacks from last year?
Those are all incompletions or interceptions this year.
Remember him leaving the games injured, 5 times last year?
He's not taking the hits this year, because he's throwing quicker, albeit poorer passes
Remember the catches where a DB slipped down, allowing LSU to take it for long gains?
Ain't happened once this year
Remember when Lee didn't see any action until the 8th game?
Lee was needed much earlier, cutting down on JJs opportunities
Remember how LSU never crossed midfield vs. Fla in the 2nd half?
Teams studied that game film. A lot.
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Posted on 10/18/10 at 6:42 pm to TIsuGGER
it's interesting that the Spring Game has been a pretty dead on indicator of how the season has gone...and all we heard was "LOL, it's just a practice you idiots"
Posted on 10/18/10 at 6:48 pm to TIsuGGER
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He's really not that much different
Remember the 34 sacks from last year?
Those are all incompletions or interceptions this year.
Remember him leaving the games injured, 5 times last year?
He's not taking the hits this year, because he's throwing quicker, albeit poorer passes
Remember the catches where a DB slipped down, allowing LSU to take it for long gains?
Ain't happened once this year
Remember when Lee didn't see any action until the 8th game?
Lee was needed much earlier, cutting down on JJs opportunities
Remember how LSU never crossed midfield vs. Fla in the 2nd half?
Teams studied that game film. A lot.
Good points.
Posted on 10/18/10 at 6:59 pm to DeltaDoc
It's very similar to baseball and some lights out reliever. All of the sudden, opposing coaches begin to understand what they don't like to do and what they do poorly. They realize how he locks on to his main read, doesn't understand certain pressures, and can't audible. We all love to be arm chair QBs, but there are some great coaches out there who know how to exploit inept QBs. You're seeing this firsthand.
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between this and a confidence/pressure factor, it has compounded itself.
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between this and a confidence/pressure factor, it has compounded itself.
Posted on 10/18/10 at 7:17 pm to OBUDan
quote:This.
He's completely regressed.
He made some decent steps last year, which gave some of us cause to believe he may have a very good year. Unfortunately, he completely went backwards.
I was snookered.
Posted on 10/18/10 at 8:01 pm to TIsuGGER
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He's really not that much different
Remember the 34 sacks from last year?
Those are all incompletions or interceptions this year.
With his reads (or lack thereof) and his pocket presence, I would agree that he is the same. But I don't think his interceptions had much to do with anything but him being very inaccurate. I don't recall a ton of pressure on his picks. We have a better O-line as well this year.
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Remember him leaving the games injured, 5 times last year?
He's not taking the hits this year, because he's throwing quicker, albeit poorer passes
He's throwing quicker??? Please see McNeese State game...consecutive sacks on the 2nd series of the game losing 17 yards and fumbling/turning the ball over inside the five-yard line. Against McNeese St....
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Remember the catches where a DB slipped down, allowing LSU to take it for long gains?
Ain't happened once this year
That is football. It happens every year with teams all over the place. I don't remember that being something that was a continued factor last year in games. I remember UW having a few issues in that department...but that was the first game. We had some issues of our own on D in the first game.
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Remember how LSU never crossed midfield vs. Fla in the 2nd half?
Teams studied that game film. A lot.
Yes, I remember that and he was BAD in that game. He showed nearly all of his bad tenancies in that game. However, after that game he went on to throw 10 TDs to 4 Ints. in the last six games and that was against much better competition. I think he averaged 191 yards throughout those games and those teams had plenty of film on him.
He's never been that diverse so it wouldn't take that long to figure out the best way to play against him. He is similar to how he was last year, but his accuracy has totally plummeted. Now he doesn't have confidence in even doing the things he used to be okay with and almost everything he does seems to be a prayer. And it shows...
Posted on 10/18/10 at 8:14 pm to lsuhunt555
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I never got past this. If anyone thought he was terrible last year, they are badly mistaken. If we had the JJ from last year, no one would be worried
I will say it...he was bad last season. We ended up in the bottom 3% of offenses in all of football last year. His stats don't look too bad, but they don't include the number of drives he killed by taking sacks because he was unwilling to take any chances at all. They don't show how poorly he threw screen passes, preventing receivers from getting any YAC. The stats also fail to reveal that he displayed no understanding of the clock, a trait that he shares with Miles.
If your QB play is good, with the offensive weapons we had last season, the offense doesn't finish the season as one of the worst 5 in division 1.
Posted on 10/18/10 at 8:22 pm to Housplants
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If your QB play is good, with the offensive weapons we had last season, the offense doesn't finish the season as one of the worst 5 in division 1.
Yeah, I don't think the QB play was good last year (and there were times when it was bad), but I thought for basically a first year starter, he did okay.
You also have to factor in that we probably had the worst running game I've seen at LSU since
I've been around. We only had two games where we had a 100-yard rusher last year. And that wasn't until the 8th game against lowly Tulane. The other was in the 10th game against La. Tech by Keiland. And the offensive line was a huge disappointment by all accounts. We had issues all over the place on offense last year.
This year those things are much better and JJ is much worse...
This post was edited on 10/18/10 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 10/18/10 at 8:25 pm to Housplants
quote:A Manning would not have looked good behind last year's OL.
If your QB play is good, with the offensive weapons we had last season, the offense doesn't finish the season as one of the worst 5 in division 1.
Posted on 10/18/10 at 8:52 pm to jackson123
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A lot of it is film that opposing coaches now have on him. Watch the progression of the Peach Bowl where he looked awesome, compared to now.
You can use the same thing with Garrett Gilbert of Texas. He looked great in the second half against Bama but hasn't looked near that good at any time this year. So people ask why..
It's very similar to baseball and some lights out reliever. All of the sudden, opposing coaches begin to understand what they don't like to do and what they do poorly. They realize how he locks on to his main read, doesn't understand certain pressures, and can't audible. We all love to be arm chair QBs, but there are some great coaches out there who know how to exploit inept QBs. You're seeing this firsthand.
well said...this is what it is...
and for the record he was never that good, i saw a lot of problems arising with him last year...facts is whats happening is written above...
Posted on 10/18/10 at 9:29 pm to ForeLSU
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it's interesting that the Spring Game has been a pretty dead on indicator of how the season has gone...and all we heard was "LOL, it's just a practice you idiots"
i remember...i was the one being called an idiot cause i said he would look this way this season....
Posted on 10/18/10 at 9:33 pm to TigerFan55555
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A lot of it is film that opposing coaches now have on him. Watch the progression of the Peach Bowl where he looked awesome, compared to now.
You can use the same thing with Garrett Gilbert of Texas. He looked great in the second half against Bama but hasn't looked near that good at any time this year. So people ask why..
It's very similar to baseball and some lights out reliever. All of the sudden, opposing coaches begin to understand what they don't like to do and what they do poorly. They realize how he locks on to his main read, doesn't understand certain pressures, and can't audible. We all love to be arm chair QBs, but there are some great coaches out there who know how to exploit inept QBs. You're seeing this firsthand.
well said...this is what it is...
and for the record he was never that good, i saw a lot of problems arising with him last year...facts is whats happening is written above...
Garrett Gilbert made some great plays against Bama, but he ended up 15-40 with 4 interceptions and a fumble he lost on a sack in the 2nd half inside his 10-yard line. So I wouldn't say he was great in the 2nd half against Bama. But considering the circumstances, he did pretty good and helped to keep them in it (along with their D).
I just don't think that you're giving D coordinators a lot of credit by thinking it would take that much footage to really be able to scheme for someone. You think Saban didn't have enough tape after seeing JJ take about 100 sacks in the Georgia and Florida games to scheme against him. Yet, JJ still accounted for 130+ yards and a TD on them before being knocked out on LSU's first possession of the 2nd half. Penn St. had footage of a whole year of games and a few games from the previous year (as well as a month to prepare) and JJ still hit 200 yards passing on them with a TD and a long pass to the 1 to set up our other TD.
JJ just hasn't been able to hit receivers this year. Vandy and Tennessee didn't do any special scheming that I could see (McNeese actually did though by sending the house...smart!) We had guys get open against Vandy & Tennessee - he just couldn't hit them most of the time for anything.
This post was edited on 10/18/10 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 10/18/10 at 9:35 pm to Big EZ Tiger
quote:JJ played well in the 2nd half. . .but that 1st half was an embarrassment.
Penn St.
Posted on 10/18/10 at 9:54 pm to Roaad
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JJ played well in the 2nd half. . .but that 1st half was an embarrassment.
I thought our whole team looked like an embarrassment in the 1st half in that one. Now, it was probably the worst conditions for a game that I've ever seen, but still...
JJ was throwing almost everything low or at the ground , Toliver missed a perfect pass standing still that bounced right out of his hands and into Penn State's defender's hands for our only Int. (we dropped numerous others as well), the running game was awful, Peterson got burned by about four miles on a long TD pass, #44 missed the easiest pick ever, etc.
But the D played well in the 2nd half and JJ did as well. The WRs stepped it up too. We got the lead back and had it until about a minute left in the game. And we looked like we were going to get a chance at a game winning FG until our O-lineman was called for that 15-yard penalty when trying to get their guys off the pile. That was pretty much a miserable game to watch.
Posted on 10/18/10 at 10:19 pm to rcocke2
I dont think he has a confidence issue, he still seems to think he's been playing well
Posted on 10/18/10 at 10:43 pm to DeltaDoc
Maybe opposing defensive coordinators are studying his tendencies and weaknesses. He is being prepared for differently now? Just a thought.
Posted on 10/18/10 at 10:46 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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I dont think he has a confidence issue, he still seems to think he's been playing well
That is the issue...ha.
Posted on 10/18/10 at 11:00 pm to DeltaDoc
JJ completed some passes last year but was still ineffective at moving the offense. He was a better passer though, but wasn't that effective of a QB.
Posted on 10/18/10 at 11:10 pm to TIsuGGER
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He's really not that much different
Meh...
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Teams studied that game film. A lot.
So it took all the wonderful DCs in this conference a season and change to study up tape on JJ... not buying that one.
The guy has just gotten worse. Maybe because we expanded the playbook and he couldn't handle it. Maybe because he's trying to do too much. Maybe because he's not focused or doesn't work hard.
Who knows. But the guy out there this season is not the guy out there from his true freshman and sophomore years.
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