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Johnny Jones's SEC winning % vs Dale Brown,John Brady, and Trent Johnson
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:08 pm
Thought these numbers were interesting.
SEC coaching record:
Johnny Jones 40-32 (.556)
Dale Brown 238-200 (.543)
John Brady 74-93 (.445)
Trent Johnson 25-39 (.391)
SEC record in 1st 4 seasons:
Dale Brown 9-9, 6-12, 6-12, 5-13
John Brady 2-14, 4-12, 12-4, 2-14 (on probation 1st 2 seasons)
Trent Johnson 13-3, 2-14, 3-13, 7-9
Johnny Jones 9-9, 9-9, 11-7, 11-7
I agree with the majority of the rant that Johnny Jones underperformed big time with this team. There's no way a team with the roster we had this season shouldn't make the NCAA tournament. His in game coaching is almost non existent. The team looks lost on offense and defense. Lacks an identity. But these numbers don't look that bad when lined up next to the others.
Thoughts?
SEC coaching record:
Johnny Jones 40-32 (.556)
Dale Brown 238-200 (.543)
John Brady 74-93 (.445)
Trent Johnson 25-39 (.391)
SEC record in 1st 4 seasons:
Dale Brown 9-9, 6-12, 6-12, 5-13
John Brady 2-14, 4-12, 12-4, 2-14 (on probation 1st 2 seasons)
Trent Johnson 13-3, 2-14, 3-13, 7-9
Johnny Jones 9-9, 9-9, 11-7, 11-7
I agree with the majority of the rant that Johnny Jones underperformed big time with this team. There's no way a team with the roster we had this season shouldn't make the NCAA tournament. His in game coaching is almost non existent. The team looks lost on offense and defense. Lacks an identity. But these numbers don't look that bad when lined up next to the others.
Thoughts?This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 1:11 pm
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:10 pm to Hiphopanonymous
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Thoughts?
You can't compare a 20+ year career win % with a 4 year win %. You also can't compare the state of the program when all of those guys took over.
But you can draw the conclusion that Trent Johnson was awful.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:11 pm to Hiphopanonymous
quote:
Thoughts?
The sky is falling
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:11 pm to Choupique19
^ 
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:12 pm to Hiphopanonymous
Remember that if he stays, this LSU team will likely go about 4-14 in conference play the next couple of years. He will fall way under the other names. They are not equal whatsoever.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:12 pm to Hiphopanonymous
Now show me how talented those teams were compared to the last 2 teams Johnny had.
It's about the underachieving, not the total results.
Johnny has had multiple NBA players on his teams the last few seasons, including a #1 overall pick this last season. Did Dale Brown miss the NCAAT with Shaq?
It's about the underachieving, not the total results.
Johnny has had multiple NBA players on his teams the last few seasons, including a #1 overall pick this last season. Did Dale Brown miss the NCAAT with Shaq?
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:13 pm to Hiphopanonymous
I've thought about this as well. Its odd. I would like to see what Dale and Brady were working with talent wise in years 1-4 but damn........JJ is an awful halfcourt coach. His 2 foul rule is infantile.
Nobody gives him credit for his teams ability to run though. I mean, everything else is a train wreck but the team is superb in transition. I know alot of that is on court instinct and ability, but he should get some credit there.
I'm torn, but we could/should upgrade and pay for a top notch coach. Can Fargas, go cheap on her replacement and parlay the extra cash into getting "the guy" and not "a guy"
Nobody gives him credit for his teams ability to run though. I mean, everything else is a train wreck but the team is superb in transition. I know alot of that is on court instinct and ability, but he should get some credit there.
I'm torn, but we could/should upgrade and pay for a top notch coach. Can Fargas, go cheap on her replacement and parlay the extra cash into getting "the guy" and not "a guy"
This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:13 pm to Hiphopanonymous
JJ Should of won more games with all the talent.
This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:15 pm to Hiphopanonymous
What's concerning is that, regardless of how talented his teams are, they perform at the same level. Example his first compared with this year--thats due to coaching and not making adjustments.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:15 pm to Hiphopanonymous
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There's no way a team with the roster we had this season shouldn't make the NCAA tournament.
That's his problem. The best comparison is 1991 and 1992 when LSU twice got bumped out of the second round despite having Shaq. But we at least made the NCAA Tournament. We didn't this time, and we missed the tournament despite possibly having more talent (was Vernel Singleton a 5-star recruit? Because we know Blakeney was.)
Up until this point, Johnny Jones has been successful, including at North Texas. But this is a huge blow and we shouldn't pretend otherwise. I thought Les Miles wouldn't be able to recruit after this past season's fiasco but so far he's been successful, so hopefully Jones will be the same, but we have every reason to be worried about the future of this program.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:16 pm to Hiphopanonymous
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I agree with the majority of the rant that Johnny Jones underperformed big time with this team. There's no way a team with the roster we had this season shouldn't make the NCAA tournament. His in game coaching is almost non existent. The team looks lost on offense and defense. Lacks an identity. But these numbers don't look that bad when lined up next to the others.
Thoughts?
It's called perspective.
Brown took over a program that had been mediocre for the better part of two decades and had no talent to speak of.
Brady took over a program that was in the midst of NCAA restrictions.
When Jones took over in 2012-13, LSU was only seven seasons removed from its last Final Four visit. Meanwhile, Brady's first season was 11 years after the '86 Final Four team.
None of these situations are remotely comparable. Therefore, Jones pedestrian winning percentage with multiple NBA prospects remains unimpressive regardless of the other three coaches' success.
This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:17 pm to Hiphopanonymous
Keep Jones 
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:18 pm to Hiphopanonymous
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:20 pm to pellietigersaint
I agree with all this but you can also argue that Johnny jones brought in a lot of that talent to have high expectations to begin with. Jordan Mickey, Tim Quarterman, Jarell Martin, Ben Simmons, Keith Hornsby, Antonio Blakely, Craig Victor, Jayln Patterson, Skylar Mays. Could a new coach continue to bring in the same level of talent? I'm honestly ready for someone new at this point.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:21 pm to CarterWilson717
LINK Great interview with Brady
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:24 pm to EN 883
I saw that and am waiting to watch it. What is Brady's take on all this?
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:25 pm to thunderbird1100
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It's about the underachieving, not the total results.
exactly correct. You can't view those stats in a vacuum. The correct standard is whether the coach gets the most out of his team, based on the talent on the roster.
When a coach brings in good talent, as Jones has done, the bar is raised for wins. So I'd argue that Jones' winning percentage is not good and he's underachieved, relative to the talent we've had. And his winning % was awful this year, again relative to our talent.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:35 pm to Hiphopanonymous
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Could a new coach continue to bring in the same level of talent?
Maybe, maybe not. What we do know however, is that Jones hasn't won big with the talent he's coached.
So the question is what is more likely? A new coach can't bring in the talent that Jones has in his time at LSU. OR Jones won't be able to get big results out of the talent he is able to bring into LSU.
The former is a complete unknown, while all the evidence suggest the latter is likely to continue.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:36 pm to Hiphopanonymous
Bringing up the W-L total in a sport where the Tournament is everything is kinda fruitless honestly.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 1:38 pm to Hiphopanonymous
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But these numbers don't look that bad when lined up next to the others.
Completely unfair to Brady and Dale. Dale went to the post season for 15 straight years. shite Brady went to the sweet 16 in his 3rd year. Johnny cant even get into the tournament with the #1 draft pick.
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Brown had a winning record in his first season at LSU and he was voted as SEC Coach of the Year. The Tigers finished 14-10, with a 9-9 record in the Southeastern Conference. In his first home game, the Tigers beat #11 Memphis State 94-81, who went on to become NCAA Runner-Up. The Tigers were picked to finish last in the SEC but finishing 5th.
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"As soon as he was hired he started traveling the state and giving out nets. Wherever there was a basketball goal, he would stop and introduce himself as the new coach at LSU and hand out nets. I had never heard of such a thing and I really looked forward to meeting him after learning how hard he worked, how aggressive he was and how conscious he was of spreading the word about basketball in this state."
You get this type of enthusiasm from Johnny?
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