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re: John Brady under appreciated per Mark Gottfried
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:33 pm to pellietigersaint
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:33 pm to pellietigersaint
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most of you miserable fricks are never happy. We will be having this conversation about miles in 10 years and you tards will be missing him sorely
you seem mad. Running around on the boards calling ppl miserable cause they don't see things the same as you...
that sounds miserable fwiw
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:58 pm to Lsubaseball2000
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Yea you can win championships with those guys.
Because LSU only plays for championships in basketball...
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Of those how many were highly touted? 2?
Define highly touted. Dupree wasn't a slouch. Koundjia and Randolph were highly ranked recruits. Roland and Lloreda were both arguably the best Juco players in their classes.
I didn't even include Tack Minor, who was very highly rated. Hell, I even seem to recall Tim Bush being a fairly high-rated recruit.
ETA - I also left off the south Louisiana recruits who dickweeds refuse to give Brady any credit for.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:05 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
The big, glaring thing you're leaving out is Butch Pierre. Credit Brady for keeping him on staff, but everyone knows who was getting the recruits to come to LSU.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 3:18 pm to 756
John Brady under appreciated per Mark Gottfried
Brady couldn't recruit or coach against a zone defense.
Brady couldn't recruit or coach against a zone defense.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 3:24 pm to LSUButt
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The big, glaring thing you're leaving out is Butch Pierre. Credit Brady for keeping him on staff, but everyone knows who was getting the recruits to come to LSU.
Okay, David Patrick is why Jones is getting recruits. Glen Montgomery was why Dale Brown got recruits. Where does it end?
Posted on 3/19/15 at 3:30 pm to Brbengal
quote:Just started reading this thread that sounds eerily like Johnny jones
Ture. I was speaking more about situational coaching (in-bounding, time out calls, plays coming out of time outs, etc.).
Posted on 3/19/15 at 4:03 pm to 756
They only like you when they beating you.
Why in the hell is he still at Arkansas State with a losing record?!?!?!
Why in the hell is he still at Arkansas State with a losing record?!?!?!
Posted on 3/19/15 at 4:04 pm to 756
I appreciate the fact that he's not here any more.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 4:13 pm to Jim Rockford
Thing with John Brady is he had to replace a legend at LSU in Dale Brown. No matter what he did many people never took to him and had the mentality that Dale would have done it better. It would have taken winning a Final 4 I think to finally have gotten the majority to begin to like him. I didn't always agree with Brady and his coaching, but I appreciated him and was proud he got us to a Final 4 while I was in school.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 5:42 pm to S
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BEATLES, tiger20, BAD CAT, shotclock, etc
I wish Badcat would come back. Us "immature college geeks" surely need all that he brought to this message board.
tiger20 was the smartest of that group, if there was such a thing.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 5:43 pm to LSUButt
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umm yea, let's say I know the guy. I spent a year of my life listening to him and watching him closely. Let me give you a glimpse of John Brady the coach.
Practice starts at 3PM, Pierre gets there at 2:30 and talks to the players and checks on them. At 3 they either go into the meeting room for gameplan, or just out to the court where Brady is waiting. Brady spends 3/4 practice on defense and yelling obscenities and calling most the kids pussies. During which, there are numerous near fights with the players or coaches.
I have witnessed Big Baby throw a chair Bobby Knight style and try to attack Brady while Tack and D-Mitch were telling him Brady ain't worth it. I watched as he told the team after a loss that Brandon Bass was the only real player on the team and everyone else should thank him for their scholarships. Then when they went back to the locker room, everybody wanted to fight Bass who promptly got up and started talking insane shite about Brady.
I give Brady props because the kids who stayed he made mentally stronger. It's hilarious though that he ran 2 kids off a year, but people say he's NOT a dick. I just gave a quick 2 examples. I could sit here and type for 4 hours and tell you stories. But you either a) wouldn't believe them or b) they wouldn't change your mind.
Guys like Darrel Mitchell, Taz, Darnell Lazare, Temple..those guys are wired differently and strongly. That '06 team was so special because almost all of them had an upbringing that in some form or fashion molded them to be able to handle those things.
The best thing John Brady ever did was NOT let Josh Maravich play for Senior day. Kid didn't show up to practice for 2 months, shows up the day of the game for Senior day and is expected to play.
I call bullshite on most of this.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 5:44 pm to LSUButt
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Guys like Darrel Mitchell, Taz, Darnell Lazare, Temple..those guys are wired differently and strongly
They all have the same father so they cannot be THAT different.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 5:46 pm to PiscesTiger
Havent seen words like 'draconian' and 'moribund' in a while
Posted on 3/19/15 at 5:50 pm to 756
Brady Ball was my childhood. Was he fired at the right time? Probably. Though I will say that his last season was killed by injuries. If Brady stays until that 2009 team (Trent's first season) he's probably able to win a bunch of games and make a tourney run. That team was stacked. It didn't matter who the coach was.
Then after that who knows what happens. Brady probably gets fired a year or two later anyways since the Collis Temple pipeline wasn't producing anymore.
We may have Johnny Jones here now even if Brady isn't fired in 2008 and Trent is never hired.
Then after that who knows what happens. Brady probably gets fired a year or two later anyways since the Collis Temple pipeline wasn't producing anymore.
We may have Johnny Jones here now even if Brady isn't fired in 2008 and Trent is never hired.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:00 pm to The Boat
yea it would have been interesting given how dried up the talent got in state between '08 and '12, trent's weird arse recruiting strategy didn't help.
the 07/08 team was hurt by injuries but you could just sense that brady didnt have that fire anymore, that team basically quit defensively and thats usually the sign that the coach has lost the team.
i LOL'd when someone earlier ITT called brady a great x&o guy, sure, maybe in terms of defense and rebounding but he was just as bad if not worse than trent when it came to offense, though he had a better staff to help with that than trent.
he just seemed like a different coach after the final four, i remember seeing butch and all the guys over the summer having workouts and about 30 minutes later saw brady and mist at wal marks buying a big arse tv
the 07/08 team was hurt by injuries but you could just sense that brady didnt have that fire anymore, that team basically quit defensively and thats usually the sign that the coach has lost the team.
i LOL'd when someone earlier ITT called brady a great x&o guy, sure, maybe in terms of defense and rebounding but he was just as bad if not worse than trent when it came to offense, though he had a better staff to help with that than trent.
he just seemed like a different coach after the final four, i remember seeing butch and all the guys over the summer having workouts and about 30 minutes later saw brady and mist at wal marks buying a big arse tv
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:12 pm to S
Brady's style of play was boring, which means you have to win. This is especially true at a place like LSU, where football is first and baseball has passed basketball for second because basketball has been irrelevant for most of the last 20 years. Win or be entertaining in defeat. Watching Brady's teams on offense was like watching paint dry, even in the Big Baby years.
My biggest gripe was that almost from the beginning Brady latched on to the fact that LSU was on probation when he took the job and never failed to remind people of that for about five years. Others are allowed to point out you're on probation, but the head coach is not. The head coach is expected to put his head down, do his job and do the best he can to overcome the limitations. Nothing was ever his fault, according to him.
And if he had an iota of PR skill (otherwise known as being nice to people), most folks would have given him a pass on the struggles of the first few years. But when you get fired not two complete seasons after getting to a Final Four, you've pissed off a lot of people. If he had been a decent dude, he would have had a lot more leeway.
My biggest gripe was that almost from the beginning Brady latched on to the fact that LSU was on probation when he took the job and never failed to remind people of that for about five years. Others are allowed to point out you're on probation, but the head coach is not. The head coach is expected to put his head down, do his job and do the best he can to overcome the limitations. Nothing was ever his fault, according to him.
And if he had an iota of PR skill (otherwise known as being nice to people), most folks would have given him a pass on the struggles of the first few years. But when you get fired not two complete seasons after getting to a Final Four, you've pissed off a lot of people. If he had been a decent dude, he would have had a lot more leeway.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:20 pm to S
quote:Yall think he'll jump up on the scorers table if they win tonight?
Gottfried had some good bana teams but nowhere near bradys accomplishments yet comes off as an easy going likeable guy....lands a great gig at nc st.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:21 pm to S
Those were some ugly offenses. But Brady could coach defense like a son of a bitch.
Just look at the NCAA tournament run in 2006. 58-57 against A&M, 62-54 against Duke, 52-52 in regulation against Texas, and they scored 45 against UCLA and they don't get out of the 30s without Tasmin going on a one man run in the last two minutes.
They bludgeoned their way though the tournament.
Just look at the NCAA tournament run in 2006. 58-57 against A&M, 62-54 against Duke, 52-52 in regulation against Texas, and they scored 45 against UCLA and they don't get out of the 30s without Tasmin going on a one man run in the last two minutes.
They bludgeoned their way though the tournament.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:28 pm to The Boat
What about the controversy involving Collis Temple Jr ?
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:45 pm to cheo25
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My biggest gripe was that almost from the beginning Brady latched on to the fact that LSU was on probation when he took the job and never failed to remind people of that for about five years. Others are allowed to point out you're on probation, but the head coach is not. The head coach is expected to put his head down, do his job and do the best he can to overcome the limitations
He was right and he had every right to state it. LSU was handed more severe (draconian) sanctions than other schools with worse transgressions. It hamstrung the program for 5 years, even after the years of reduced scholarships. Then Lester Earl recanted which made it more frustrating. There may be legit issues with Brady but this is not one of them.
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