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re: Joe Alleva all talk

Posted on 10/7/16 at 11:03 pm to
Posted by teeMike
In my mind, I'm already there.
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 11:03 pm to
Aside from this weeks shiteshow by Fla & SEC, Alleva's call on the coaching hire will be his ultimate judgment as an AD. Make or break time for Joe on this one.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 11:10 pm to
Alleva is waaaaay too passive. He's getting bullied around and has no idea how to fight back with these people. He should have had a press conference Monday morning and made it known to the media and general public was the options were for the game Saturday and that LSU would be a host as the hurricane was en route to the Florida coast. He should have made phone calls to anyone who would listen from ESPN etc. make the media work with you and get them on your side with assurance that at the end of the day, the game is much too important to cancel it if there were available options like playing it in Baton Rouge like South Carolina did last year. The precedent was there. LSU had a game plan that was proven successful and Florida didn't want to do it.

At that point with all of the options on the table and BR being the easiest and proven solution, sankey should have told Florida that they were playing the game in BR and to deal with it.

Alleva I feel is a pushover and doesn't know how to play the game and others like foley absolutely do. Just look at the media today. They are blaming LSU for this game not happening now it's amazing. Foley and sankey have the media critiquing LSU now as if LSU didn't bend over backwards to make it happen.
Posted by nvasil1
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 11:16 pm to
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He did let it get away from him but it's up to the other party to reel him in and that didn't happen. LSU lost the negotiation. Foley trumped Joe.

I understand what you're saying, but how do we know Alleva didn't attempt to? I hate to sound like a broken record, but Alleva's input can only be accepted if Sankey wanted it to be.

Fair or not, Foley is also one of the more powerful and respected ADs in the country. Considering it was his home game, Sankey has to weigh his input perhaps a little more.

I could go to my CFO's office on Monday morning and demand a bunch of ways to make our company's operations better, but he doesn't have to do what I want, particularly if the manager in charge doesn't agree.
Posted by nvasil1
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 11:36 pm to
I agree, if there was one thing Alleva could've done, it was get out in front of everything at the beginning of the week and announce contingencies were being proposed.

But considering this board didn't expect the game to be played in Gainesville as early as Monday, I feel like Alleva and Sankey couldn't have anticipated the feet dragging from Florida. They kept pushing back a decision from Wednesday afternoon to Thursday evening.

I don't think a cancelation was ever considered as a possibility until everything was too far down the rabbit hole. Alleva might bare some responsibility for that, but Sankey should've recognized where this was heading sooner. All he had to say at the beginning of the week was "I don't care what you do, but cancelling is not an option".
Posted by itig19
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 11:37 pm to
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Just look at the media today. They are blaming LSU for this game not happening now it's amazing. Foley and sankey have the media critiquing LSU now as if LSU didn't bend over backwards to make it happen.


What media? Everything I've seen today from SECN to ESPN has blasted Florida and the SEC office. I haven't seen anything about LSU not trying to make the game happen.
Posted by UnAnon
Breaux Bridge
Member since Sep 2013
6570 posts
Posted on 10/7/16 at 11:39 pm to
Alleva handled this perfectly. Called the BS and showed that LSU would be more than capable of doing whatever it took to get the game done within the next 3/4 days
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
36395 posts
Posted on 10/7/16 at 11:51 pm to
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He did let it get away from him but it's up to the other party to reel him in and that didn't happen. LSU lost the negotiation. Foley trumped Joe.
The home team in the hurricane trumped Joe. When you have a hurricane involved, it gives you a lot of leverage.

I think the main issue here is that the Sankey didn't force Florida to do something. Wednesday Joe was being told that things look good for the game to be played in Gainsville. They come out Thursday and said it's not gonna happen. This is where things got interesting. What happened in these discussions, we may never know everything.

All we know is, we offered many options, they declined. Alleva said in an interview that "you can't argue with safety". Florida was using this as a narrative for the situation. They've used the excuse that the players care about and want to be with their families. While this is obviously a complete exaggeration, some people in the media (especially ESPN) have eaten it up hook line and sinker from what I've seen. I wonder how much worse Alleva would have looked had he argued against that. Especially publicly.

Personally I don't see what else he could have done to make the situation better. I just see how he could have made it worse.
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 11:57 pm to
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Personally I don't see what else he could have done to make the situation better. I just see how he could have made it worse.

Bingo
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6129 posts
Posted on 10/8/16 at 12:18 am to
Things did not get interesting on thurs. They got interesting on Wednesday when anyone with common sense and access to the weather channel would tell you that keeping the game on Sat without agreeing to develop a contingency plan was ignorant and irresponsible.
This post was edited on 10/8/16 at 12:19 am
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:00 am to
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Things did not get interesting on thurs. They got interesting on Wednesday when anyone with common sense and access to the weather channel would tell you that keeping the game on Sat without agreeing to develop a contingency plan was ignorant and irresponsible.
Wednesday night the storm shifted a little towards the coast. Alleva said that Thursday is when things started to look bad for the game happening. Florida's excuse (among others) was basically that the game could not happen this weekend because of the players wanting to be with their families in this possible dire time. It's obviously an exaggeration, as I've said before, but it's hard to force a team to do something when they act like bitches and use that. As Joe said "you can't argue with safety", as much as I know he wanted too. Florida played this situation and used a hurricane in their favor. They also know that the media will be hesitant to criticize them. I've been watching people on ESPN hesitant to criticize Florida all day. There are many articles out there being writen about it, though. I can tell you nobody blames Alleva at all. If anything he looks really good for going out of his way to accommodate Florida.

In most cases a team does not act this way. Florida used every excuse in the book to not play this game. They held all the cards.
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
14684 posts
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:07 am to
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I can't find fault in him lately. He's been on point. He called out Florida, the SEC, and McMurphy earlier today. Not much more he can do really


He should have called them out on Tuesday/Wednesday when they were clearly dragging their feet and on Thursday he should have demanded that the game be played somewhere Sat/Sun or Monday or its a Forfeit.

Fight for once.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
30813 posts
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:16 am to
Florida ran out the clock for other options for contingency and then acted surprised that there was a hurricane heading their way.

Mandatory evacuations and they kept saying that they wanted to have the game there.

Expecting LSU to fly into the cone of uncertainty that was being evacuated doesn't exactly scream "safety"
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
36395 posts
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:34 am to
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Expecting LSU to fly into the cone of uncertainty that was being evacuated doesn't exactly scream "safety"
I agree. They had no incentive to play the game this weekend. As soon as they saw their out with the storm turning, they ran with it. Now they're hiding behind "safety".
Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31564 posts
Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:44 am to
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he should have demanded that the game be played somewhere Sat/Sun or Monday



He did. He can't go over there and forcefully make him have the game.



He offered several options, (Mobile, Tallahassee, BR, NOLA and even Knoxville) all of which were declined by Foley.

He offered accommodations in New Orleans and BR, offered transportation for Florida to get to LA. Again, these were all declined by Foley.

quote:

He should've called them out when they were clearly dragging their feet


That's part of his job? Isn't that something for the SEC commissioner to do? I agree, they were clearly dragging their feet. Where was Sankey? Where is he now? He hasn't said squat since Thursday's announcement.


What more do you want Alleva to do?
This post was edited on 10/8/16 at 1:50 am
Posted by PairofDucks
Member since Jul 2016
4992 posts
Posted on 10/8/16 at 4:03 am to
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CEO could and would have had this game rescheduled


Lol...no.

That's the AD's job, not a head coach's.

What exactly would you expect CEO to do in order to get the game rescheduled?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/8/16 at 5:04 am to
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I can't find fault in him lately. He's been on point. He called out Florida
You're kidding, right?

Monday Alleva should have requested a run down of Florida's contingencies. By Tuesday when none were offered, he should have raised the possibility with ESPN, FSN, and the SEC offices of Florida forfeiting the game. Those comments should have been repeated again on Wednesday.

It should have been presented by Alleva as matter-of-fact. i.e., We have provided UF a litany of possibilities. They seem to be uninterested in playing the game. Obviously if a team decides not to play a scheduled game which it clearly could play, that is their prerogative, But in that instance they would need to forfeit. Simple as that.

As far as I can tell, Mealy-Mouth Joe never even brought forfeiture up. Forfeiture was his leverage. Yet, he never even raised the issue, much less pushed it.

Instead he allowed Foley to form the narrative, and to even bad-mouth LSU for supposedly refusing a November 19th date. Alleva is horrible.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 10/8/16 at 5:35 am to
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He has zero clout with the SEC.


I assume you realize that he has limits to his ability to control such a situation.
Sankey got played by Foley, who was arrogant and intransigent but ultimately this was a Sankey flustercuck.
Florida could have easily postponed the game until Sunday or Monday with the SEC's encouragement.
Strange that FSU v Miami is being played and South Carolina v Georgia (moved to Sunday) is being played but UF couldn't make this happen.
No Alleva had little leverage and can't be blamed for this.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131144 posts
Posted on 10/8/16 at 5:44 am to
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I assume you realize that he has limits to his ability to control such a situation.
If you bring a knife to a gunfight, you have limited ability to control the situation.

Alleva had the ability to set the narrative.
He didn't.

Alleva had the ability to raise the issue of forfeit.
He didn't.

Alleva had the opportunity to do his job.
He didn't.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47035 posts
Posted on 10/8/16 at 6:26 am to
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So the Sunshine Pumpers are going to rally around Joe Alleva and try to make a (weak) case for him being a strong AD?


So, anyone who disagrees with you is a sunshine pumper? Also, I saw no one making that case.
This post was edited on 10/8/16 at 6:33 am
Posted by JawjaTigah
On the Bandwagon
Member since Sep 2003
22746 posts
Posted on 10/8/16 at 6:27 am to
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Florida used every excuse in the book to not play this game. They held all the cards.
LSU holds the Ace of Spades. Fairness. Play or Forfeit.
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