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re: JJ proved this season was a fluke

Posted on 1/3/09 at 5:50 pm to
Posted by jledet
Panhandle
Member since Jan 2008
4922 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 5:50 pm to
i concur with good qb play we win the uga game.... and possibly the bama game, i know the d gave up 52 to uga but 14 of that was j.lee but there was no excuse the d let us down this year save the peach bowl
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 6:41 pm to
quote:

the only reason we are 8-5 is becuase of the quaterback situation


What a fricking joke. The reason we are 8-5 is that we had the worst fricking defense in the history of the program. With any kind of half-assed decent defense, we could have afforded to bring one of the young QBs along slowly, limiting what plays we made him run until he got more comfortable. But instead, with this shite-for-defense we had, the pressure was on to score right out of the gate or we would be behind by three or four touchdowns before halftime, so we had to force the QBs into plays they weren't ready for.

The defense is virtually 100% responsible for the failure that was the 2008 LSU football season. The quarterback issues were incidental to, and caused by, the complete lack of defense.
Posted by JLSU20
Conroe Texas
Member since Jul 2004
2046 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 6:50 pm to
Defense was not great, but dreaux is correct on the record if not for the QB situation
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83093 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 6:53 pm to
Obviously it was a combination of bad QB play and bad defense. Some games it was more of one than the other. But I knew we were in trouble when MooState scored 24.
Posted by LA007
Monroe
Member since Nov 2008
1778 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 7:30 pm to
Let's be precise. If we hadn't put all our eggs in the Lee/Hatch basket, we would have been better off, but that's hindsight to a point. Lee implodes, no one expected the magnitude... Les stubbornly sticks with him, over and over... If J.J. was #2 on the ticket going in... things would have been different. All of the players know this as well. It's no mystery. These things happen, and it effects the team. But, while the defense was put on the spot in the maelstrom...it did not perform well, with an abundance of talent.

I am optimistic that this year was an anomaly. With our new QB situation, and new DC (although I have reservations about his understanding of our players and the style of defense which brings out the best of our talent), our expectations should be that we go to Atlanta next year and right the ship.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83093 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 7:37 pm to
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If we hadn't put all our eggs in the Lee/Hatch basket, we would have been better off, but that's hindsight to a point. Lee implodes, no one expected the magnitude... Les stubbornly sticks with him, over and over... If J.J. was #2 on the ticket going in... things would have been different. All of the players know this as well. It's no mystery. These things happen, and it effects the team. But, while the defense was put on the spot in the maelstrom...it did not perform well, with an abundance of talent.


+1
Hindsight's a mutha.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
15909 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 8:51 pm to
Chavis is used to getting by with less talent than he has.

I can't help but think he is going to be like a kid with new toys playing with all the talent he is going to have.

And I hope Chavis is a hard nosed coach who will keep his defense focused.
Posted by PacoDeTaco
BR
Member since Feb 2007
2117 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 8:56 pm to
we lost to arkansas with JJ taking every snap. Arkansas was the one game we SHOULD have won that we lost. It was def. the defense
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17773 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 9:05 pm to
The defense was terrible but those ints., not to mention the pick 6s, didn't exactly get the defense fired up
Posted by Oakflat
Logansport
Member since Nov 2008
90 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 9:06 pm to
"Didn't buy into the Co-DC scheme" WHAT?

It was the same scheme Pelini used. And for anyone to say the defense is suppose to pick up the slack for a young QB, is completely full of shite or just fricking retarded.

You cant fault the defense for giving up points on a short field, and they are not responsible for pick 6's. When you are constantly on the field and playing on a short field its makes your job tough no matter who you are or who your coaches are.

In the Georgia they were not responsible for 17 of the points that Georgia scored (2 pick 6's, and another drive started inside the 10 that they held to a FG). The Alabama game was the same way. If LSU had consistent QB play throughout the year they would be a 10 win team and there would be no coaching changes.

Do you think they just learned to coach and gameplan in the month of December before the bowl game. I doubt it. It goes to show you that the QB is hands down the most important position in football and with a bad one it makes it awefully hard to win. The offense was just as bad as the Defense or worse, but its the defenses fault. Shut the frick up.
Posted by Oakflat
Logansport
Member since Nov 2008
90 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 9:08 pm to
If you dumbfricks think Chavis is the savior to the program yall are in for a rude awakening. I bet he goes to bed praying for a better QB to emerge for next year or yall will be wanting his job too.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33259 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 9:33 pm to
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Am I the only one that says it was because of both?
No, it was both. Shortsighted people always try to find ONE thing to blame things on, but just like an airplane crash, it is usually a clusterfrick of various things happening at once.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33358 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 9:34 pm to
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When you are constantly on the field and playing on a short field its makes your job tough no matter who you are or who your coaches are.


Are you realated to Peveto or Mallory? Did you even watch any games, or are you naturally stupid?

App St, N. Tx, Moo St, Tulane - won handily

Aub - def had us down before any picks, JLee rallied to win
Fla - down 17 to Zip before any picks, JLee rallied us to 20-14, then the D gives up 14 pts straight
SC - The D allows SC to tie the game, before any picks, JLee rallies again
Ga - JLee started with an int, rallied to tie, D gave up 14 straight.
Bama - Bama drove down the field on the opening drive. D played well from there, ints were the difference
Troy - LSU down 17-3 before any picks, JLee rallies again
Ole Miss - LSU down 21-3 before any pics
Ark - LSU D lost this. No short field by the offense

So the exact opposite of your point is the truth. We knew when RP left, we had issues at QB. We needed a stout D to make up for the mistakes we knew were coming.

We didn't get the stout D. The offense had to throw early and often. Each QB had ints. EVERY QB had ints that were returned for mega yards, with eventually a score for the other team.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33259 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 9:36 pm to
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The defense is virtually 100% responsible for the failure that was the 2008 LSU football season. The quarterback issues were incidental to, and caused by, the complete lack of defense.
Nuts, this is complete and utter bullshite and you know it.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
35725 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 9:42 pm to
I think the only game that Lee really lost for us was the Bama game. And bad coaching didn't help either. Defense cost us UGA and Arky. Even if Lee doesn't give UGA 14 points, whose to say that they wouldn't have scored more than us anyway the way our defense played?

Should have gone 10-2 this season. Which would have been amazing considering our situation before the season.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12724 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 11:00 pm to
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i saw the defense playing better and better agaist tech
When Tech couldn't complete a pass, despite open receivers?

That was an offense tailor made to suit our defense, and we came one brilliant instinctive recovery by Chad Jones (after being out of position for the pass) from giving up a quick TD drive AGAIN.

When the offense hands you a 24 point advantage (like it did against Georgia), and you give up 5 long TD drives to lose by 14, that's a complete fail by the defense.

Posted by Oakflat
Logansport
Member since Nov 2008
90 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 11:08 pm to
All that ralling you said J Lee did makes it sound like you think he had a good year. Thats pretty funny. Get off his nuts and see the truth that QB play was the biggest problem of the season. The problem with you fricking coonasses is that yall are too dumb to see past what is obvious.

"We are giving up alot of points, so it must be the defense." Thats all yall see and get from the internet.

Forget about 6 or 7 pick 6's, 12 other interceptions at costly times, inability to sustain drives that keep a tired defense on the field.

You saw what good QB play was in the bowl game, all of J Lee's miracle comebacks you speak of were not good QB play. Playing good 2 drives a game don't get it in the SEC. You take the performance by the QB in the bowl game and put it in any other game of the year and you lose 2 games instead of 5.

Offensive play has to do as much with momemtem and the way the defense than anything. Do you think Mallory and Peveto just learned how to coach the 5 weeks they had off, doubt it.

I'm sure Chavis will do wonders and yall will go undefeated next year. Give him the same QB play and you will be bitching about him next year.
This post was edited on 1/3/09 at 11:10 pm
Posted by Oakflat
Logansport
Member since Nov 2008
90 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 11:11 pm to
Yeah King Joey the offense had nothing to do with the loss to Georgia did it. Scored 38 but gave up 17. Got beat by 14. Sounds like the offense cost you that game. You got it backwards.
Posted by LA007
Monroe
Member since Nov 2008
1778 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 11:41 pm to
quote:

Get off his nuts and see the truth that QB play was the biggest problem of the season. The problem with you fricking coonasses is that yall are too dumb to see past what is obvious.


Like the QB analysis, and the nuts reference. I've always been an LSU fan, while I'm not a coonass. It's mystifying to me about the J.L. support.. he's not a coonass.

quote:

You saw what good QB play was in the bowl game,


Protect the ball and we're 10-2. Don't waste more of your time trying to convince them, though.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33358 posts
Posted on 1/4/09 at 12:02 am to
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Forget about 6 or 7 pick 6's, 12 other interceptions at costly times, inability to sustain drives that keep a tired defense on the field


reading comprehension a problem for you?

I've already posted that LONG BEFORE ANY INTERCEPTIONS (pick6 or not) the defense had usually allowed scoring drives.

The 1st play of the bowl game was a 40 yd pass. Did you miss that? Chad Jones stopped Bama at the goaline & GTech in the endzone, on the 1st drives of those games. Other than that we gave up scores.

What part of being forced to play from behind do you just not quite understand?
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