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re: JJ proved this season was a fluke

Posted on 1/3/09 at 11:43 am to
Posted by yungtigr
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/3/09 at 11:43 am to
This Chic Bowl reminded me a lot of the UM game in 05


the running game came to play with all healthy backs and the best use of the top 3 since about VT in 07 IMHO. And the OLine ran them the frick over. Neither group had looked that healthy and dominant since Bama, and afterwards we looked especially shitty...Coincidence?



And then everyone anointed Matt Flynn.






Also the game showed us that GT has a shitty shitty special teams group. It didn't really show me much about the season on the whole other than that.
Posted by TigersInExile
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 1/3/09 at 11:43 am to
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lee had knowledge of the whole playbook at the start of the season.

...and when I graduated with my doctorate more years ago than I care to remember, I had a boatload of book learning and experiential scenarios, even some carefully monitored internships while still in school, but precious little actual on the job experience where those scary decisions were all on me.

That scenario is a helluva lot different when you wake up in the midst of it, especially if it hits sooner than anyone expected. It takes a while to get acclimated to it. Most eventually master it and a few never do and move on to other pursuits.

As it relates to FB, whether JL will continue to improve and get past those poor reads and decision-making of the '08 season remains to be seen. As I've noted before, JJ looks to lead LSU into '09 and that's great. But it doesn't mean I don't still hope for the best for JL - this year reminded us experienced depth at the QB position is especially important.

Knowledge is a wonderful thing, but it is no replacement for actual experience.
Knowledge + experience = seasoned players for LSU at all positions, but especially under center on O.
This post was edited on 1/3/09 at 11:47 am
Posted by TigersInExile
OhioTiger
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 1/3/09 at 11:46 am to
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This Chic Bowl reminded me a lot of the UM game in 05

True, this year we didn't have a break late in the season, either, with the hurricane rescheduling. Three weeks gave the coaches and the players a chance to refocus and to play rested and on point.
Posted by yungtigr
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2005
3820 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 11:50 am to
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True, this year we didn't have a break late in the season, either, with the hurricane rescheduling. Three weeks gave the coaches and the players a chance to refocus and to play rested and on point.




exactly and Healthy CScott and Oline had more to do with the arse kicking that we gave them than anything other that Special Teams.


IN 05 Addai and the OLine got healthy and ran over OM same thing.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 1/3/09 at 11:56 am to
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the running game came to play with all healthy backs and the best use of the top 3 since about VT in 07 IMHO. And the OLine ran them the frick over


So where was this ALL YEAR??????


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Neither group had looked that healthy and dominant since Bama, and afterwards we looked especially shitty...Coincidence?


No the problem was that Miles let RP get away with SO much crap and at the expence of the team. The rest of the guys said wait I can do what I want as well and Miles lost this team.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
16062 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 12:22 pm to
There is little doubt that this season has a multitude of things to blame.

yes, letting RP get away with so much did not help miles instill discipline with his team.

Yes, the qb play was bad.

Yes the coaching was likely too soft. Whatever it was, there was problems with the coaching.

Yes the defense sucked. The whole defense sucked. The defensive line, which we all thought was great, played poorly most of the year. Did we have linebackers out there? And our dbs also gave up plenty of big plays.

It was a total defense collapse.

On offense, our qb sucked. We thought we would have qb problems, so that is something we expected. Our offensive line played poorly many times during the season.

So in a sense, i really don't blame the qb being a big problem. It was a known problem.

But the qb problem was made worse by many problems. Poor defensive play put us behind and made us pass more. Poor play calling by the OC made the qb try to make passes he shouldn't have been asked to make. Poor offensive line play hurt both the running and passing game.

Overall, it was a total system collapse. I have to say the ship righted itself against GT. It started evidently in practice where they ran some tough practices.

It continued with strong offensive line play allowing easy runs forcing GT to commit more players to stop the run opening up the passing game. And we won because our defense, all aspects of it, dominated GT.

In short, the qb play did not win us the GT game. All the other things did. We still would have blown out GT with JL or AH. The qb play helped us blow them out, but were not important for us winning.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 1/3/09 at 12:53 pm to
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Overall, it was a total system collapse. I have to say the ship righted itself against GT. It started evidently in practice where they ran some tough practices.


Does that mean that Miles needs a month between games to get his team ready????? THINK ABOUT IT!!!! And I don't want to hear about Hurricane excuses.
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
Hammond
Member since Jan 2007
2804 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 12:56 pm to
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Ell great post! Obviously you know football and how a practice is run!

I agree with you. So do 90% of the fans.

We could have started him against appy. state and north texas. After that he would have been
ready for Au.


90% of the fans??? Yea right. I've forgotten more football than you know.

Posted by TigerinSoCal
Pasadena, CA
Member since Dec 2008
996 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 1:03 pm to
I totally agree with thetempleowl. There was a whole series of issues that contributed to this past season, and there were not many bright spots on the season or the team (though some really did stand out like Alem, and our special teams, but otherwise, total collapse). Hatch getting hurt didn't help either as then everything fell on JL even putting more pressure on an already fragile situation.

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some rantards are to single out one player and try to put the whole blame on him. Yes, JL struggled, but everyone expected a RS Freshman QB to struggle in SEC play. So why bitch and try to throw one player under the bus when there are many things to blame this season on.

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From what I heard the weeks leading up to this game were completely different at practice and it was an arse kicking game prep that was no-b.s. which I personally think had as much to do with it.


This, I think, also made a huge difference in the attitude of the team. There is no doubt in my mind that this coaching staff lost this team over the season. With the GT game, the team got its swagger back and watch out for next year as I do think this carries over.
Posted by GeauxLaSports
In Your FACE !!!
Member since Apr 2008
100 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 1:29 pm to
QB was the main problem.Defense was bad too but those Pick sixes were the killer!
Posted by jacksimmons2000
Savannah, GA
Member since Nov 2006
778 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 1:37 pm to
Temple Owl? I was attending Temple as a grad student when the Nation of Islam came to town and shut down campus and Broad Street. Were you there then?

Anyway, I agree - total system failure this year at LSU.

QB - obviously

Defense - no tackling, missed assignments, weak coverage...they played as if they didn't have a defensive coordinator.

Offensive - lackluster and out of sync, partly due to the QB, but partly due to an offensive coordinator asking an unprepared QB to throw the ball 20-40 times a game, rather than rely on a steady o-line and tailbacks and play field position.
Posted by LSUmomma
Member since Sep 2007
8191 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 1:43 pm to
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Defense - no tackling, missed assignments, weak coverage...they played as if they didn't have a defensive coordinator.


because they didn't have A defensive coordinator! You are right. It was a recipe for disaster, and that's basically what it was.


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Offensive - lackluster and out of sync, partly due to the QB, but partly due to an offensive coordinator asking an unprepared QB to throw the ball 20-40 times a game, rather than rely on a steady o-line and tailbacks and play field position.


All totally true. I can't help but think that Jarrett Lee would not be nearly so vilified if they hadn't had so much faith in him. If they had camoflauged him, much like Alabama did with Sarah Jessica, I don't think he'd have gotten on such a downhill slope, and then not had the terrible confidence issues that beat him down.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
16062 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 2:13 pm to
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I totally agree with thetempleowl.


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Anyway, I agree - total system failure this year at LSU.


These two obviously are extremely intelligent posters!

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I was attending Temple as a grad student when the Nation of Islam came to town and shut down campus and Broad Street. Were you there then?


They have done that multiple times over the years.

Which time are you talking about?

I attended temple undergrad and grad school. I was there for a while...

Plus I am old...
Posted by tlee7stud
kentwood
Member since Aug 2007
270 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 2:25 pm to
horseshite!What a stupid post!!!!
Posted by jacksimmons2000
Savannah, GA
Member since Nov 2006
778 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 2:29 pm to
I was at Temple 1989-1990, as a grad student.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
33620 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 2:38 pm to
One theory is that the juniors and seniors on the team quit because a freshman QB made a ton of mistakes.

Another theory is that a freshman QB made a ton of mistakes because most of the juniors and seniors played like garbage.

It would have been interesting to see how a freshman QB could have played if our junior/senior lead defense would have played up to their potential instead of giving up TDs on teams opening drives every game of the year.
Posted by LSUmomma
Member since Sep 2007
8191 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 2:42 pm to
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One theory is that the juniors and seniors on the team quit because a freshman QB made a ton of mistakes.

Another theory is that a freshman QB made a ton of mistakes because most of the juniors and seniors played like garbage.

It would have been interesting to see how a freshman QB could have played if our junior/senior lead defense would have played up to their potential instead of giving up TDs on teams opening drives every game of the year.



Nice post. I think it's impossible to tell what poor situation promoted the other poor response. I too, would have like to see IF Jarrett Lee could have "grown" any more positivly if he hadn't always had to be trying to lead the team back from a deficit.

of couse, don't forget the theory that everyone just threw their arms up and surrendered because they wanted to be screw ups and not be held accountable, because that's how it worked for RP!
Posted by Chrome
Chromeville
Member since Nov 2007
13286 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 2:42 pm to
Offense was never consistant, so it was part of problem. Defense play was way below expectations (espically the line). Even in the impressive bowl win the secondary still showed it wasn't able to cover well and was out of symc. It was fortunate for us GT couldn't throw the ball well.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
16062 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 3:03 pm to
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I was at Temple 1989-1990, as a grad student.


I was there from 88-92 undergrad, 92-96 grad. I remember the time you are talking about, but I forget what it was about.

There was also a time after I left which had something to do with Temple starting up on or before the MLK holiday.

Good to see a fellow owl.

How can I email you?
Posted by TigerinSoCal
Pasadena, CA
Member since Dec 2008
996 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 5:43 pm to
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the way we played with a good quaterback, shows the only reason we are 8-5 is becuase of the quaterback situation. I will also say the defense would have played better all year too, had the wind stoped being taken out thier sails. The def feeds off and vice versa. with good qb play all year we are a 2 loss team. and those losses would be to florida and ole miss.


I thought about this again since my earlier post, and I have to call BS!!! The facts simply do not support such a supposition. Let's consider some facts:

Exhibit A: The offense scored plenty of points this season even against outstanding SEC defenses (38 against GA, 21 against Fla, 21 against Alabama). If the defense could have made some stops, 38 points against GA and 21 points against Bama should have been more than enough in those and all but a couple of games (Fla being an exception to that given their high powered offense).

Exhibit B: Even with Jefferson as the starter, the defense still played like crap against Arkansas and let Arkansas come back from being down 30-14 in the second half. In fact, Arkansas scored before the offense ever took the field: "The Razorbacks struck first on the opening possession of the game when they marched 76 yards in six plays to take an early 7-0 lead. Freshman running back Dennis Johnson put Arkansas on top with a 17-yard touchdown run around left end just 3 minutes, 20 seconds into the contest." From LSUSports.com. You can't put that on the offense, but more importantly to the orignal poster's argument, the fact the defense couldn't hold a 16 point lead even with Jefferson at QB shows that QB wasn't the real problem.
This post was edited on 1/3/09 at 5:45 pm
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