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re: JJ 2009 vs Flynn 2007 - who do you pick?
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:13 am to dogman67
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:13 am to dogman67
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Say what you want about Flynn, but he competed and won games and even when he didn't we at least moved the football.
he did not move the football in the first half against arky when we had 3 possessions in their territory early
he was HORRIBLE against Kentucky. i mean horrible
when flynn was hot, he was easily better than JJ. when flynn was cold, he was quite bad at QB
remember we lost 2 games in 2007. we've only lost 3 in 2009 while playing 2 elite teams (compared to 0 in 2007) and with a really bad offensive line and no consistent running game
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:13 am to zack7552
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I would rather have JJ. I think he has more upside
once again...that's called POTENTIAL.
has not yet happened and there is no guarantee it will.
he may turn out to be the greatest QB ever, but to act as if you know this as a fact ??????
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:14 am to dogman67
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Bottom line is you have to take a chance every now and then
JJ has a higher ypa, which means he throws the ball further and more aggressively on average than flynn
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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but he throws more picks than JJ does and wasn't as accurate
Accurate? Thats becasue 80% of his throws are 10 yard hook routes to stationary targets. Jefferson has yet to figure out how to fully read a defense so he makes mostly easy throws and stares down one receiver. If that receiver is covered he takes off running or takes a sack. That is not a good QB. He will get better, he has a huge upside.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
doesn't matter if they were easier in 2007, cause if we had our offense from 2007, we would beat them..hell if we had any of our offenses from the last 10 years (except maybe 2002) we would have one those games..
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:14 am to jjbodean1970
"INTANGIBLES" is the key word in this comparison. JJ to this point has not demonstrated that he has them. It remains to be seen if he can develop what it takes to be a champion; at this point its Flynn by a land slide.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:14 am to ColeLSU
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That is not a good QB.
tell me what made flynn a good QB then, because he had the same problems JJ did
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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we've only lost 3 in 200
the season isnt over with yet!
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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flynn played no elite teams in the regular season really
He played eight ranked teams and beat the defending national champions.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:15 am to tigerberger
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It remains to be seen if he can develop what it takes to be a champion
so 1 more loss (while playing harder teams) is the difference?
why do people forget flynn lost TWO games in 2007? where were the intangibles?
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:15 am to Brendoni
flynn, but i think by the time JJ is a Sr he will be ther better Qb.
I don't care who you are, how many steriods you take, who you wine and dine with, where you live? That statement will never come to fruition. JJ is not a real collegiate QB at Bama. OM, TN, and even Vandy. He would be much better suited playing WR or in the D. backfield.
I bet everyone laughs at those apples.
I don't care who you are, how many steriods you take, who you wine and dine with, where you live? That statement will never come to fruition. JJ is not a real collegiate QB at Bama. OM, TN, and even Vandy. He would be much better suited playing WR or in the D. backfield.
I bet everyone laughs at those apples.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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but he throws more picks than JJ does and wasn't as accurate, leading to black holes in our offense
He was a gunslinging qb, JJ is not. Which led to more interceptions, lower completion percentage, but more yards and TDs.
Really is no debate for me, give me 2007 Flynn as a 5th year senior over a true sophomore qb. But if this plays out like I think it will, give me 2010/2011 JJ over 2007 Flynn. Also, give me 2009 JJ over 2005 Flynn.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:16 am to SlowFlowPro
Flynn knew how to throw the quick dart...JJ can't make that throw, so he has to make the longer throws or he wouldn't ever complete a pass. surely you realize we don't use the quick pass anymore because we can't....
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:16 am to theunknownknight
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He played eight ranked teams and beat the defending national champions.
there is a big difference in 1/2 (from the SEC) and a bunch of teams in the 10-30 range (esp with 2 of these teams coming from the Big10 and ACC, which are horrible)
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:16 am to josh336
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Which led to more interceptions, lower completion percentage, but more yards and TDs.
and a higher ypa
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
Flynn and it ain't close
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
Has JJ ever thrown for 300+ yards? If JJ were a senior this year, do you believe that he would be drafted?
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:he will also probably have throw it 80-100 less times than flynn
but he throws more picks than JJ
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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JJ 2009 vs Flynn 2007 - who do you pick?
i think most people will jump to flynn when the argument is much deeper than a gut reaction
JJ has had a better season, statistically, and he's played harder good teams (flynn played no elite teams in the regular season really)
Flynn had a MUCH better OL and more consistent running game
JJ doesn't have the total stats flynn did, but his rate-stats are better, and we haven't thrown the ball as much
our team in 2007 lost 2 regular season games. our team in 2009 has lost 3
both had ankle injuries
You fail to realize the number of delay of game penalties,JJ's inability to read defenses and check into the right play etc. DCs of opposing teams dare him to throw the ball. Our big receivers constantly have to come back and wrestle balls from defenders to make catches or prevent interceptions.
Flynn beat out poster buy Brohm at QB.
If he doesn't grasp the offense,he may not play next yr regardless of coach or OC.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
Once again, Flynn didn't lose those games....His Offese could score and never scored less than 28 points. If we had that O today, we would be highly successfull. He didn't lose any of those games...you are critical of the bama and arkansas games, but he threw 6 TDs in those games, so he got it done even if his stats weren't great..
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