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re: Jennings Long Passes Last Yr

Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:01 pm to
Posted by icegator337
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:01 pm to
between the gadget plays to get running backs, full backs, and TE easy openings in the flats, wide open deep balls early it really is amazing how bad his completion percentage was last year
Posted by a want
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:04 pm to
Remember 3rd down last year? If it was more than 3rd and 5, we'd throw a 40 yard bomb so it would be just like a punt if it was intercepted. That's classic Les Miles philosophy.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:07 pm to
Jennings' s deep ball is a thing of beauty. It doesn't necessarily mean he has a strong arm though because when throwing deep you have to put a lot of air under it. He doesn't have the ability to fire a 20-yard laser which is a throw you have to make if you want to run Cam Cameron's offense. I'm on my phone...is anyone able to post Mett's first play action pass of the 2013 TCU game to Landry? That's what we're looking for.

ETA: LINK

Go to 5:35. The first 1st down pass of the game. Just gorgeous. By all accounts Harris can make that throw look just as easy.
This post was edited on 8/14/15 at 1:21 pm
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7048 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:08 pm to
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The point i was trying to make was that 89% of his passes accounted for 48% of his yards. That's not good QB play
bullshite.

Where is the analysis for your conclusion?

You looked at three numbers: 21 of 111 passes for 838 yards.

Assuming that those numbers are correct ([LINK]?), explain to me why that's not good QB play.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:10 pm to
quote:

The point i was trying to make was that 89% of his passes accounted for 48% of his yards. That's not good QB play


As has been stated, the passes that travel the farthest before hitting the receiver will ALWAYS comprise a disproportionate amount of yardage.

This is true for every quarterback at every level of football.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7048 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

quote:

The point i was trying to make was that 89% of his passes accounted for 48% of his yards. That's not good QB play
As has been stated, the passes that travel the farthest before hitting the receiver will ALWAYS comprise a disproportionate amount of yardage.

This is true for every quarterback at every level of football.
But 15% of Jennings' completions were 25+ yards!!!!

Can't you see that?!?!?
Posted by Sterling Archer
Member since Aug 2012
8209 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:23 pm to
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So now Rant, please use the foregoing facts to draw your preconceived conclusion that Jennings sucks and Harris is the savior of the world.


I'm not really sure what you were hoping to prove with those stats.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
19898 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

But 15% of Jennings' completions were 25+ yards!!!! Can't you see that?!?!?


I don't know the exact stats but weren't a good majority of his completions from 0-8 yards?
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7048 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

quote:

So now Rant, please use the foregoing facts to draw your preconceived conclusion that Jennings sucks and Harris is the savior of the world.
I'm not really sure what you were hoping to prove with those stats.
I'm not trying to prove anything with those facts. I was merely using those facts to demonstrate that the OP's conclusion was unsupported and without analysis.

Nevertheless, as expressed in my post, I have little doubt that some Jennings basher will use the stats in my post to conclude that Jennings should transfer from LSU and never play football again.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7048 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

quote:

But 15% of Jennings' completions were 25+ yards!!!! Can't you see that?!?!?
I don't know the exact stats but weren't a good majority of his completions from 0-8 yards?
:sigh:

Nix to Twillie, I appreciate that you support Harris. I do. I too support Harris. I hope he explodes this year and shatters every record in every record book.

However, your posting history suggests that if it's true that "a good majority of [Jennings'] completions from 0-8 yards," you would say that it proves that Jennings's stats were padded with short passes. And if it's NOT true that "a good majority of [Jennings'] completions from 0-8 yards," you would say that it proves that Jennings's can't complete short passes.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
19898 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 3:43 pm to
Whatever you say, Sal. Draw whatever conclusions you want, I was just asking. Look a little deeper into my post history and you'll see me giving Jennings credit where it's due.

You really think I hate Jennings and want to see him fail. That's your problem.

I do not want Jennings to start. I make no apologies for that. But I've said numerous times that if he does I will be his biggest fan. Anytime the Tigers take the field, no matter who the QB is, no matter who the opponent is, I know we can win. I've never said anything different.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7048 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 4:43 pm to
quote:

Whatever you say, Sal. Draw whatever conclusions you want, I was just asking. Look a little deeper into my post history and you'll see me giving Jennings credit where it's due.

You really think I hate Jennings and want to see him fail. That's your problem.
It's not my problem. I have NEVER said that you want to see him fail. Quit creating strawmen.

However, I would love for you to tell me honestly what you would have said if the stats showed that Jennings had many 0-8 yard completions compared to what you would have said if the stats showed that Jennings had few 0-8 yard completions.

Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 4:46 pm to
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but he placed a lot of them right on the money. More than what most QBs could do



Give it a rest dude...
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19710 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 5:14 pm to
quote:

It's quite a mystery as to why he can throw a 50 yard bomb on a dime but has issues with a 2 yard out floating on him.



Read the above responses to the OP.

In summary, long passes just need to be lobbed out there and let the receiver adjust. Shorter throws actually need to be much more accurate.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
19898 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 5:20 pm to
quote:

if the stats showed that Jennings had many 0-8 yard completions


That he struggles with mid range passes.

quote:

if the stats showed that Jennings had few 0-8 yard completions.


That he struggles with mid range passes.

Yes, I'm critical of Anthony Jennings and think he played very poorly most of the time in 2014 with little sign of improvement. I don't know what else you want me to say.

ETA: Why don't you give me your honest assessment of Anthony Jennings.
This post was edited on 8/14/15 at 5:30 pm
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20557 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 5:34 pm to
No that shows just how bad our Qb situation was last year. It really is amazing we won eight games with virtually no pass threat whatsoever besides a bomb here and there.
Posted by Kingkong2706
Member since Aug 2015
22 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 5:38 pm to
Dudes a scrub. I Dnt know why were still talking about last year. (Out with the old in with the new.)
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28861 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 5:48 pm to
quote:

How many of those were before SEC schedule? Also, how many of those were caught beyond 20 yds? Dural and Diarse each had some where they caught short to medium passes and got yac yards. I'm confident Jennings didn't have many passes caught beyond 20yds.


Three against Ole Miss, two against Auburn, one against MSU, one against UF, one against UK, and one against TAMU. They all traveled at least 20 yards through the air, and most traveled 30+ yards.

Look, there are a ton of things you can critique about him, but his deep ball is not one. Watching over those vids I don't know how many times I heard them say 'beautiful deep ball'.
Posted by Tigerik
Franklin, TN
Member since Mar 2007
1720 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 5:57 pm to
For ever completion he overthrew receivers more.
Posted by TigerTreyjpg
Monroe, LA
Member since Jun 2008
5815 posts
Posted on 8/14/15 at 6:25 pm to
quote:

his biggest problems was being able to put a ball on a spot. Being able to zip it in when the ball needs to go only one place.



This is INCREDIBLY hard to do, and I'm convinced that if we took all 12 starting SEC quarterbacks, the biggest difference in each's ability to do this is more than 75% mental. Look, you don't start in the SEC without having an arm that has a ton of physical capability. That's just a given. But to be able to do what Mett/Landry/Beckham did, or Davey/Reed did, you have to have so much confidence in not only your own ability to hit that spot, but also the receiver's ability to beat a guy to that spot that's as fast, big, and strong as he is.

Mett and his crew of receivers made that look so easy, to the point that post Mett, fans "suffer" through multi year disappointments, as we'd just gotten used to 3rd and 14 being no problem. What we had in that crew, or again, the Davey/Reed combo was just as good - was rare - you just don't see it too often. It was a rare as it was beautiful, and specifically when it comes to, as the OP says, "zipping the ball to that one place it needs to go." When Mett's arm and passing success gets put in contrast IMMEDIATELY with an AJ and the year he had last year throwing the ball, it makes AJ's stuff look particularly awful, when it reality, it probably wasn't AS horrible looking as it seemed (and look here, do NOT get confused - I'm not saying it was acceptable, or ok, or only looked back because he followed a great passing team - it was HORRENDOUS). I'm just saying it's uglier than it is because it's getting looked at behind something stunning.

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