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re: Is the Lambeau Leap a penalty in college?
Posted on 8/15/16 at 3:11 pm to SeekGreatness
Posted on 8/15/16 at 3:11 pm to SeekGreatness
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Rick, but to yours: either you don't consider LSU a quality program, or you didn't watch Bama, Arky and Ole Piss kick the shite out of us last year like I did.
Stop acting like we were at no point in the ole miss and bama games. Being down 3 points at the half and being down 17-24 in the 3rd quarter isnt some absolute mauling you try to make out to be.
As i said earlier whats worse? Losing to sec west teams or losing to mid majors like ole miss and arky?
We had a team full of true sophomores basically win 10 games while playing in the deepest division in cfb. Every program outside of bama , gets beat by teams they shouldnt.
This post was edited on 8/15/16 at 3:17 pm
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Posted on 8/15/16 at 3:14 pm to SeekGreatness
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point is simply that yes, there are teams out there who regularly kick the shite out of other quality teams
Yeah and lsu is one of them. We havent lost a regular season ooc game in over a decade. During Miles tenure no program has beaten more ranked teams than lsu. What are you arguing here? Are you really under the impressive that over Miles' tenure lsu is known for losing big games rather than winning big games?
I also think you dont realize how rare it is for a team to win 9 games for a 5 years stretch.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 7:56 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:The poster, very accurately I might add, made a point that because of Les‘conservative "play it close to the vest" style, most games won't get out of hand even when otherwise they may have been able to. If you can't handle that fact then there's nothing I can do for you.
Please point me to all these programs kicking the shite out of quality programs? Please id really like to know because i watch just about every televised cfb game when im bored throughout the week and ive yet to come across the program that just dominates every quality program. I sure hope people in your lives dont hold you to the standards you hold lsu football too.
I can't speak for lsutigermall, but for me it's not an indictment of Les. I love the guy, but this aspect of his style can at times be frustrating.
At the end of the day, lsutigermall's assessment is correct.
In the NFL, Bill Parcells is a perfect example. Even if his team was superior to the opponent, his conservative style, low risk is going to keep all games close where otherwise they may not have been.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:10 am to Tigers4Lyfe
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The poster, very accurately I might add, made a point that because of Les‘conservative "play it close to the vest" style, most games won't get out of hand even when otherwise they may have been able to. If you can't handle that fact then there's nothing I can do for you.
Thats not a fact. Please show me all these programs that are curb stomping quality teams on a regular basis, becayse they dont exist. Miles has just as many blowout wins against quality teams as anyone. Name another program that has blowout wins vs Oregon,Miami (when they were a top 10 team),Ohio State,Notre Dame, Va Tech, Ga Tech, West Virginia, Texas a&m(big 12) amd countless ranked sec teams we curb stomped.
Again, since his hire no program has beaten more ranked teams than lsu.
YOUR OPINION that lsu doesnt curb stomp quality means shite and it damn sure isnt a fact. You clearly need to brush up on what the definition of the word,"FACT"is.
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At the end of the day, lsutigermall's assessment is correct.
Except no it isnt you saying it is correct doesnt make it so. Lsu beats quality teams soundly as mich as any program in cfb and the simple fact that you dont think this is an issue at every single cfb program jusy shows how little you pay attention to the entire land scape of cfb.
Lastly, please point me to these programs that routinely curb stomp quality teams because even bama doesnt routinely curb stomp quality programs.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:12 am to Tigers4Lyfe
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If you can't handle that fact then there's nothing I can do for you.
You've done nothing to support your "fact". I'm not sure you know what that word means.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:20 am to TigerBait1127
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You've done nothing to support your "fact". I'm not sure you know what that word means.
Exactly. Dont you love when poster are arrogantly wrong? Its just shows how entitled and ignorant our fan base is at time. Saying LSU struggles with dominating quality teams is one of the mosy subjective statements you can make about football. What you consider a quality team is subjective and what you consider a dominating win is also subjective as hell.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:26 am to Rickdaddy4188
So about that Lambeau leap......
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:37 am to SmoothOperator96
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So about that Lambeau leap
How dare you stay on topic.
Im sure it will draw a flag but since it was after the score it would be enforced on the KO. I think.
ETA: what kind of crap poster stays om topic?
This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 9:38 am
Posted on 8/16/16 at 10:29 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:It's simple, and it's a poor reading comprehension on your part that is the crux of this whole argument. Neither he nor I said other teams regularly curbstomp others. This seems to be the bit of contention that has your panties in a wad. If you get that out of your mind you'll see that for the most part, against quality teams, Les plays it close to the vest rather than taking big gambles that could potentially lead to mistakes that could cost him the game. It's what every Les Miles hater on here bitches about every game. This style is plenty to run away from inferior teams, but the original comment that the "game plan" does not allow for LSU to pull away from quality teams is accurate. Lastly, against a quality team like Wisconsin, because of the low risk game plan that in the past Les has incorporated, it is unlikely they will be ahead enough to be able to get away with having a td called back for something as silly as a Lambeau Leap.
Please show me all these programs that are curb stomping quality teams on a regular basis, becayse they dont exist.
Now if he comes out with a new outlook this season "as many are hoping" and opens things up, maybe all this will be moot.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 10:36 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:And this, my 2nd place finish in the tigerdroppings 2015 college football pickem says otherwise. 1 point out of 1st place. You don't pick those games, which incorporate many college football teams across the country, without paying attention to the whole landscape.
shows how little you pay attention to the entire land scape of cfb.
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This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 10:38 am
Posted on 8/16/16 at 10:49 am to Tigers4Lyfe
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It's simple, and it's a poor reading comprehension on your part that is the crux of this whole argument. Neither he nor I said other teams regularly curbstomp others.
That is what youre insuating when you say its Miles' game plan that keeps lsu from dominating quality opponents.
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This style is plenty to run away from inferior teams, but the original comment that the "game plan" does not allow for LSU to pull away from quality teams is accurate
No its not. Lsu has as many convincing wins against quality teams as anyone during Miles tenure. Its just we havent done it the way you like us to do it. You clearly dont like that we soundly beat opponents by running the ball with a ball controlled offense instead of throwing for 400 yards.
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If you get that out of your mind you'll see that for the most part, against quality teams, Les plays it close to the vest rather than taking big gambles that could potentially lead to mistakes that could cost him the game
You mean like every single coach in cfb? My god bruh. Watch the rest of cfb and realize this is how everyone plays.
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Lastly, against a quality team like Wisconsin, because of the low risk game plan that in the past Les has incorporated, it is unlikely they will be ahead enough to be able to get away with having a td called back for something as silly as a Lambeau Leap.
Where are all these programs routinely getting far ahead of quality programs? You acting like the only thing stopping lsu from dominating quality opponents is les miles. Its utter cfb ignorance.
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Now if he comes out with a new outlook this season "as many are hoping" and opens things up, maybe all this will be moo
Its already moot because its utter ignorance of cfb. We have soundly beaten quality opponents as much as any program under Les Miles and you repeatedly saying we havent doesnt change that.
This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 10:54 am
Posted on 8/16/16 at 10:51 am to Tigers4Lyfe
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And this, my 2nd place finish in the tigerdroppings 2015 college football pickem says otherwise. 1 point out of 1st place. You don't pick those games, which incorporate many college football teams across the country, without paying attention to the whole landscape.
Congrats. If you actually paid attention youd know that under Miles lsu has soundly beaten quality teams as much as any program.
You have no FACTS backing up your statements.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 10:52 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:You can't read either. You can dominate a quality team without running up the score. I implied that more times than not, because of the style Les implements, the score does not get ran up against quality teams. Not to the point where they can afford to have tds called back on a celebration penalty.
Exactly. Dont you love when poster are arrogantly wrong? Its just shows how entitled and ignorant our fan base is at time. Saying LSU struggles with dominating quality teams is one of the mosy subjective statements you can make about football.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 10:54 am to SmoothOperator96
quote:It actually all ties into that.
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Is the Lambeau Leap a penalty in college? by SmoothOperator96
So about that Lambeau leap......
Posted on 8/16/16 at 10:58 am to Tigers4Lyfe
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You can't read either. You can dominate a quality team without running up the score. I implied that more times than not, because of the style Les implements, the score does not get ran up against quality teams. Not to the point where they can afford to have tds called back on a celebration penalty.
Youre just wrong. Under Miles lsu has as many dominating and big lead wins as any program. Deal with it. You're providing nothing but opinions.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 11:03 am to Tigers4Lyfe
And when i ask for you to name all these programs that are blowing out quality teams, its a valid question. Youre saying the only thing stopping lsu from blowing out quality teams is Miles' scheme. So where are all these programs with schemes that are conducive to blowing out teams?
This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 11:04 am
Posted on 8/16/16 at 11:04 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:So having that great ball control, but only winning by 10 is enough to have a td called back on a celebration penalty?
No its not. Lsu has as many convincing wins against quality teams as anyone during Miles tenure. Its just we havent done it the way you like us to do it. You clearly dont like that we soundly beat opponents by running the ball with a ball controlled offense instead of throwing for 400 yards.
You're too focused on trying to prove they are dominating to see what the discussion is actually about.
I'll say it once more for you. To help you out, I'll even say "while in their dominance", Les plays most games close to the vest with low risk as to minimize costly mistakes that LSU will likely not have enough big plays to where they will be up by enough points to afford a costly celebration penalty that would nullify a td.
Yes, that's a run on sentence, but it all ties into to what the other poster said about Les'game plan.
This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 11:06 am
Posted on 8/16/16 at 11:13 am to Tigers4Lyfe
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So having all these great stats, but only winning by 10 is enough to have a td called back on a celebration penalty?
What scheme is conducive to blowing out teams enough to have tds called back.
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You're too focused on trying to prove they are dominating to see what the discussion is actually about.
You clearly dont know what the discussion is. The discussion is about Miles' sceme not being able to build a big enough lead to be ok with called back tds. Im saying Miles ' scheme has created just as many blowout wins as other programs and thats while we play in the hardest division in cfb.
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To help you out, I'll even say "while in their dominance", Les plays most games close to the vest with low risk as to minimize costly mistakes that LSU will likely not have enough big plays to where they will be up by enough points to afford a costly celebration penalty that would nullify a td.
And ill say it again so maybe you can under stand, show me the coach with a scheme that produces so many blowouts that they would be ok with a td being taken off the board.
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Yes, that's a run on sentence, but it all ties into to what the other poster said about Les'game plan.
Yes and its still wrong. Miles' close to the vest style ( which can be argued against because he had the name of the Mad Hatter and river boat gambler his 1st 6-7 years) has produced just as many blowout wins against quality teams as any style.
Youre saying Miles' style doesnt produce big enough leads to be ok with a td called back. Im saying Miles' style has created just as many big lead wins as any other style. I gave you multiple games against quality teams that lsu had huge leads against and you gave me the same opinion over and over.
This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 11:17 am
Posted on 8/16/16 at 11:16 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:It has nothing to do with what other teams are or are not doing.
And when i ask for you to name all these programs that are blowing out quality teams, its a valid question. Youre saying the only thing stopping lsu from blowing out quality teams is Miles' scheme. So where are all these programs with schemes that are conducive to blowing out teams?
It has everything to do with the run oriented, ball control offense Les implements.
While Fournette has certainly changed the landscape a bit and can take it all the way from anywhere, for the most part this style is not conducive to run away leads. On inferior teams, yes.
And because of it,even if LSU is dominating a quality team, the score won't be ran up.
Does it happen sometimes? Yes. I'm not talking absolutes here. Anyone who tries to sell an absolute is an idiot. But for the most part I believe that's accurate. And if you want to keep arguing the point I'll be here as long as need be until one or the other has their mind changed or we agree to disagree.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 11:18 am to Tigers4Lyfe
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It has everything to do with the run oriented, ball control offense Les implements.
This style has created just as many big lead wwins as any other style and facts back it up. You just dont like the way the leads were achieved.
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While Fournette has certainly changed the landscape a bit and can take it all the way from anywhere, for the most part this style is not conducive to run away leads. On inferior teams, yes.
Holy shite. We have just as many blowout wins against quality teams as anyone in cfb. If its just Miles' style then show me the programs that are routinely blowing out these qualoty teams.
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And because of it,even if LSU is dominating a quality team, the score won't be ran up.
So if it because of Miles' style, i ask once again, please show me the style that has produced these big blowouts of quality teams. You refuse to answer this question.
This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 11:24 am
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