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Posted on 5/8/08 at 8:12 pm to Rocket
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This mantra sure has picked up pace since January of last year but "initially" is the key word here.
I just remember how good that fresh air tasted in 1995 after the putrid shite we had breathed for the previous ~5 years. There was alot of excitement around the LSU program when Dinardo first came in. Things went deep south on him and in a hurry. Without a doubt, Saban benefitted some from the initial positive momentum Dinardo had started.
Posted on 5/8/08 at 8:19 pm to redstick13
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I just remember how good that fresh air tasted in 1995 after the putrid shite we had breathed for the previous ~5 years. There was alot of excitement around the LSU program when Dinardo first came in. Things went deep south on him and in a hurry. Without a doubt, Saban benefitted some from the initial positive momentum Dinardo had started
Well, the thing is that initial momentum came to a screeching halt by the end of 1999 or even before it.
We're winning now and things have changed and alot of people don't harbor the animosity for DiNardo that they used to, but contrary to popular opinion, when DiNardo was fired, things were pretty bad around the program. Things weren't real peachy then.
Of course, any time you go on an 8 game losing streak, your fans can be pretty miserable.
Posted on 5/8/08 at 8:48 pm to Rocket
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We're winning now and things have changed and alot of people don't harbor the animosity for DiNardo that they used to, but contrary to popular opinion, when DiNardo was fired, things were pretty bad around the program. Things weren't real peachy then.
But this is not because our fans are mature, and just let bygones be bygones. Its not a "time heals all wounds" type of thing. It is solely because Nick was hired at Alabama and our fans are pissed off and trying to somehow discredit him by grasping at straws by exaggerating the accomplishments of his predecessor. Up until January of 2007, most people still viewed DiNardo with the same amount of contempt as they did the day he was fired. Our fans still harbor animosity for coaches who predated DiNardo, so it is not for any other reason. And I think it's pretty stupid, personally, and a poor reflection on our fanbase.
Posted on 5/8/08 at 8:50 pm to Proejo
Yes he is a top 10 coach.
Posted on 5/8/08 at 8:53 pm to biglego
Dinardo did some good things and left lots of talent for Saban to work with...Saban won with Dinardo's players.
Posted on 5/8/08 at 8:56 pm to biglego
DiNardo won with Hallman's players.
Posted on 5/8/08 at 9:03 pm to Rocket
3-8 sucked big schweaty balls. The loss to Houston was particularly sucky. But to turn it around to a 7-3 record the next season there had to already be some good pieces in place.
I just can't imagine that Alabama was in much worse shape than LSU when Saban took over. They were only 2 years removed from a 2 loss top 10 season.
Like I mentioned in an earlier post. I feel the biggest difference between 1999 and now is that the current competition within the SEC is tougher. Alabama's climb back will be steeper than LSU's but due to different circumstances. LSU was ripe for the picking when Saban arrived. Alabama is not in such a promising position.
I just can't imagine that Alabama was in much worse shape than LSU when Saban took over. They were only 2 years removed from a 2 loss top 10 season.
Like I mentioned in an earlier post. I feel the biggest difference between 1999 and now is that the current competition within the SEC is tougher. Alabama's climb back will be steeper than LSU's but due to different circumstances. LSU was ripe for the picking when Saban arrived. Alabama is not in such a promising position.
Posted on 5/8/08 at 9:03 pm to Al Bundy
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Yes at this timeframe
Miles is 62-27 as a head coach since 2001 and 4-2 in bowls. Did not come close to a conference title with OSU. Even throwing out his first season, which is a reasonable thing to do, he is still 57-20. Good- yes, great- yes, top 10---maybe not yet.
Posted on 5/8/08 at 9:05 pm to Carlos
I guaran-damn-tee you that if we ever go on an 8 game losing streak again, riots will break out across Louisiana.
We're winning now and things are cool so people don't mind going easy on DiNardo but they would not put up with that shite again.
We're winning now and things are cool so people don't mind going easy on DiNardo but they would not put up with that shite again.
Posted on 5/8/08 at 9:14 pm to redstick13
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3-8 sucked big schweaty balls. The loss to Houston was particularly sucky. But to turn it around to a 7-3 record the next season there had to already be some good pieces in place
DiNardo won 7 games his first year and made a bowl and 10 games the following year. Maybe he inherited better players than people realize.
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just can't imagine that Alabama was in much worse shape than LSU when Saban took over. They were only 2 years removed from a 2 loss top 10 season
Well, this year was supposedly the first time since 1970 that Bama didn't have someone picked in the NFL draft.
Think about that. I have a feeling that may be something you are going to be more than willing to ignore/dismiss, but think about it.
I mean, when I was in school at LSU for DiNardo's last 2 years and we were losing on a weekly basis, the "excitement" and "momentum" wasn't really there. Sorry, I just wasn't feeling it. Not many people were either, that's why so many people were calling for his head. That's why he got so fricking paranoid he basically quit recruiting much of his last year there.
What I do remember is drinking myself into a fricking oblivion after every fricking loss we had the pleasure to experience.
This post was edited on 5/8/08 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 5/8/08 at 9:28 pm to Carlos
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But this is not because our fans are mature, and just let bygones be bygones. Its not a "time heals all wounds" type of thing. It is solely because Nick was hired at Alabama and our fans are pissed off and trying to somehow discredit him by grasping at straws by exaggerating the accomplishments of his predecessor. Up until January of 2007, most people still viewed DiNardo with the same amount of contempt as they did the day he was fired. Our fans still harbor animosity for coaches who predated DiNardo, so it is not for any other reason. And I think it's pretty stupid, personally, and a poor reflection on our fanbase.
Good luck finding someone to say something good about Curly.
Dinardo didn't have much animosity directed toward him in 1995, 1996, or 1997. Was I pissed in 1999? You damn right I was. I got over it within 2 years. I even hoped Gerry would have some success at Indiana.
Maybe some of our fabase is latching onto Dinardo's wagon to diminish Saban's accomplishments but that's not my intention. Like I've already said I followed LSU's decline under Archer then the trip into the Abyss with Hallman.
If you weren't there you can't know how miserable it was. Gerry pumped some life into the program when it was at it's lowest point. Whether it was him, his assistants, his hair dresser, whoever it happened. To say that didn't benefit Saban in some small way, however much it was, is putting on blinders of your own sort. My level of hope when Curly left was in the deep red, purple even. My level of hope in the program when Gerry left was in the amber.
Posted on 5/8/08 at 9:30 pm to Suntiger
Looking at that first list, he should be top 10 if they are going to put in Schiano and Rodriguez.
Posted on 5/8/08 at 9:35 pm to redstick13
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Think about that. I have a feeling that may be something you are going to be more than willing to ignore/dismiss, but think about it.
I do have a hard time wrapping my head around that one. I have a hard time believing that Castille and Hall didn't get picked up. Maybe Bama really is in that bad of shape. If so, Shula must have been one hell of a coach to post the wins he did in 2005 and to post the same number of wins in 2006 as Saban did in his first season.
That just makes their climb back all the tougher.
Posted on 5/8/08 at 9:39 pm to redstick13
That senior class that was good a few years back was recruited by Fran The Man.
Posted on 5/8/08 at 9:53 pm to Rocket
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That senior class that was good a few years back was recruited by Fran The Man.
Alabama recruiting rankings
2004 - 15th
2005 - 18th
2006 - 11th
You would expect at least one NFL player drafted out of these classes wouldn't you? I mean they aren't stellar rankings but still consistently top 25.
2002 and 2003 were probably Mike Shula's dagger to the heart. 30th and 49th ranked class, respectively. Those players made up at least some of his 2005 team.
Posted on 5/8/08 at 10:53 pm to redstick13
Miles is a good coach but not a top ten coach....his team won games last year because they had more talent. The games should not have been as close as they were...bama and auburn. THE REASON IS BECAUSE LSU WAS SIMPLY NOT THAT WELL PREPARED!!! THIS IS A SIGN OF AN AVERAGE COACHING STAFF AND WILL CONTINUE, NO MATTER HOW YOU RECRUIT. 
Posted on 5/8/08 at 10:58 pm to TigerJoBoo
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Miles is a good coach but not a top ten coach....his team won games last year because they had more talent. The games should not have been as close as they were...bama and auburn. THE REASON IS BECAUSE LSU WAS SIMPLY NOT THAT WELL PREPARED!!! THIS IS A SIGN OF AN AVERAGE COACHING STAFF AND WILL CONTINUE, NO MATTER HOW YOU RECRUIT.
Just OMG wow.....
Win a NC w/ an average coaching staff and an unprepared team??
Daaaaayummmmmmm!
Posted on 5/8/08 at 11:34 pm to lsusteve1
what more could any coach have done than what Miles has done in his tenure here at LSU? His feel for the flow of the game during games has been uncanny yet he doesn't seem to get much credit for it. Also some question his ability in dealing with the media, perhaps prefering the more repitilian demeanor (perhaps equating it with intelligence) of our former coach over the loose down to earth style of Miles. Obiviously he is one of the top 10, if not the top, coach in college football.
This post was edited on 5/8/08 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 5/9/08 at 12:23 am to TigerJoBoo
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Is Miles a Top 10 head coach?
Miles is a good coach but not a top ten coach....his team won games last year because they had more talent. The games should not have been as close as they were...bama and auburn. THE REASON IS BECAUSE LSU WAS SIMPLY NOT THAT WELL PREPARED!!! THIS IS A SIGN OF AN AVERAGE COACHING STAFF AND WILL CONTINUE, NO MATTER HOW YOU RECRUIT.
Nail, say hello to the hammer.
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