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re: Is JLee ruined?
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:32 am to LSUfan4444
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:32 am to LSUfan4444
through their first 30 attempts...Lee looked better than JJ and it really isn't close
i wonder how JJ would have reacted if he was thrown into Lee's situation (then got the same reaction from the fans) and how Lee would have looked if he was put in JJ's situation
i wonder how JJ would have reacted if he was thrown into Lee's situation (then got the same reaction from the fans) and how Lee would have looked if he was put in JJ's situation
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Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:33 am to MFV
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I think lee will end up being a good qb one day. I just think JJ will be better.
what are you basing this on?
if you compare what you have seen from JJ and what you saw from Lee at the same point in his career Lee > JJ
if you say you have seen anything more, you are looking for evidence to back your opinion or preference and not looking at what actually transpired
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:33 am to LSUfan4444
Spring ball can make all the difference in confidence
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:33 am to Prominentwon
I think Lee handles 'bad times' by getting inside his own head and being left alone, like a kicker would. That's just his style.
If you believe that everyone 'makes their own story', then he's due for a breakout game and the confidence comes with that...i.e. Snead with his 3 consecutive passes that just killed us in the last game. Then again, yeah, he might fall flat again. My guess is Miles will give him at least 1 more shot this year, and several next year. His story's not done yet.
If you believe that everyone 'makes their own story', then he's due for a breakout game and the confidence comes with that...i.e. Snead with his 3 consecutive passes that just killed us in the last game. Then again, yeah, he might fall flat again. My guess is Miles will give him at least 1 more shot this year, and several next year. His story's not done yet.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:35 am to jlafou1
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but another part thinks he had enough of people booing the shite out of him and giving him such a hard time
If that is indeed the case with him, he may transfer to a FCS school this offseason. But like I've said...if he stays, he is getting what most qb's learn out of their entire time, but in a season... as far as mental toughness goes. Learning how to deal with the ups/downs of a season is definitely one thing he'll take into the spring.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:36 am to Paul_LSU_passion
its very possible lee could come out next season and light up the football field and all these people who sat on their asses and critized him will jump on his side to bragg on him. he needs to be given a break. the play calling set him for failure bigtime. jefferson almost had a pick 6 against ole miss because of play calling.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:36 am to Prominentwon
potentially. Everyone here likes to say he's going to be a Heisman candidate because Colt McCoy sucked last year but he could just as easily be Chris Rix for the rest of his career.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:37 am to ksayetiger
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Spring ball can make all the difference in confidence
so can not being the guy everyone is blaming and booing for losses
JJ had no reason not to be/look confident
i promise you if JJ had been put through what Lee had pbeen put through, he doesn't have this "moxy" people supposedly saw just glaming from him last saturday
and anyone who says JJ would not have put himself in that situation...i call BS. after their first 30 passes in SEC play, Lee > JJ in every way you look at it
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:38 am to LSUfan4444
Well one thing I can tell you right off the bat that makes Jefferson better (in one area) is that he throws a much better screen pass. Lee has struggled with that from day one and still does. Jefferson just has a much more natural screen pass timing and touch. And with LSU's offense, that is crucial.
On the flip side, Lee is better at throwing the long ball.
On the flip side, Lee is better at throwing the long ball.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:38 am to HOUbengal
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since the guy is about as mobile as my refrigerator
Jarrett Lee = 4.68 forty out of high school
Matt Flynn = 4.72 forty at the combine
Jamarcus Russell = 4.83 forty LSU pro day
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:39 am to Paul_LSU_passion
Storytime on the rant:
I'm sitting at a restaurant having breakfast and reading saturday morning. These two guys and a girl (prolly in their 40s) are sitting at the table next to me. They get to talking about football. All of the sudden the woman says "oh I heard the funniest thing........so Les Miles' house got egged......."
That's as far as I could take. I slammed the book shut looked her in the eye, flipped her off and stormed out. I was so pissed it wasn't even funny. THATS the shite that we don't need.
I'm sitting at a restaurant having breakfast and reading saturday morning. These two guys and a girl (prolly in their 40s) are sitting at the table next to me. They get to talking about football. All of the sudden the woman says "oh I heard the funniest thing........so Les Miles' house got egged......."
That's as far as I could take. I slammed the book shut looked her in the eye, flipped her off and stormed out. I was so pissed it wasn't even funny. THATS the shite that we don't need.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:40 am to Stevo
The way he has bounced back so many times this season gives me hope.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:40 am to Paul_LSU_passion
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Well one thing I can tell you right off the bat that makes Jefferson better (in one area) is that he throws a much better screen pass. Lee has struggled with that from day one and still does. Jefferson just has a much more natural screen pass timing and touch. And with LSU's offense, that is crucial.
On the flip side, Lee is better at throwing the long ball.
i am not saying Lee does everything better and i certainly agree there are things JJ has and can do better
it took JR 3 years to be able to throw a bubble screen for some reason but mauck had it in no time. it does need work.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:41 am to Prominentwon
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Is JLee ruined?
Good Question. I think this will be a tough road for J Lee depending on how the rest of the season goes. If Jefferson tears it up against Ark or even has a game good enough to get the win, he'll keep the upperhand for starting the Bowl Game. And, if Jefferson plays good in the Bowl Game then he has the upper hand going into spring. I think that will be hard for Lee. Obviously, that scenario playing out is questionable, but if it does, I don't know about J Lee staying here. He might need a fresh start. I'm hoping he has a chance to redeem himself in a bowl game, but we'll see. I'm pulling for the kid because I think he can be a damn good quarterback.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:41 am to Towelie
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Jarrett Lee = 4.68 forty out of high school
Matt Flynn = 4.72 forty at the combine
Jamarcus Russell = 4.83 forty LSU pro day
i dont know where Jarrett Lee's forty came from (i'd bet his hand timed number from a HS coach trying to hype him). But there is no way he has ever run below 4.9 in his life. The guy not only is not mobile at all unlike Flynn and Russell, he absolutely refuses to run with the ball.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:41 am to Maximus
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but he could just as easily be Chris Rix for the rest of his career.
interesting comparison...forgot about that guy
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:42 am to LSUfan4444
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FACT
Lee's freshman year > Colt McCoys frshman year
if this ruins him, he would have been ruined from something else down the road. i can't seehim being that weak mentally/emotionally
I'm not real sure what you are thinking of, but that just is not true.
McCoy (2006) - 29 TDs/7 INTS, 68% completion, 161 QB rating (8th best in NCAA)
Lee (2008) - 14 TDs/16 INTs, 52% completion, 116 QB rating (82nd overall)
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:46 am to Port City
Rantards hear these little bullshite comparisons that other rantards (half of whom are probably employed by Herb Vincent to pump sunshine on here) and get their stories confused. Yes, Colt McCoy set an NCAA TD record for freshman, not a NCAA career TD for the other team record as a freshman.
Also, LSU '08 is not UF '07, LSU '02, LSU '04, etc.
Also, LSU '08 is not UF '07, LSU '02, LSU '04, etc.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:46 am to Port City
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I'm not real sure what you are thinking of, but that just is not true.
McCoy (2006) - 29 TDs/7 INTS, 68% completion, 161 QB rating (8th best in NCAA)
Lee (2008) - 14 TDs/16 INTs, 52% completion, 116 QB rating (82nd overall)
i meant to put stafford...not mccoy......i was just in a conversation about mccoy so he was fresh in my mind
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 9:47 am
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:47 am to Maximus
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he absolutely refuses to run with the ball.
be that as it may, that could also be contributed to the fact that he's still learning and not seeing the things he should probably see.
I don't care what anyone says, being a RS Freshman has alot to do with his mistakes. I don't care if Terrell Pryor has caught on, I don't care what Bradford or McCoy did their RS freshmen years. Every QB is different and the MAJORITY of college football QB's that are this young are going to make these mental mistakes. Just because he was good enough to get a scholarship to LSU doesn't necessarily mean he'll be one of the QB's that can automatically step in a situation like this and be instantly successful.
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