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Is it unrealistic to think that JJ has improved 15%
Posted on 9/1/10 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 9/1/10 at 1:32 pm
from last year? I don’t think so. Cut the sacks in half, give us some semblance of a running game, let the Def. do what they do, and bump JJ’s output by a measly 12 – 15% and your looking at a pretty damn good team surrounding a QB w/ 2,500+ yards, 20+ TDs, 6 or so ints. and a 70%+ completion%.
JJ is not JRuss, but just to compare to the last guy that started 2 consecutive seasons here:
2005 – 2,443 yds., 60%, 15 TDs, 9 ints.
2006 – 3129 yds., 68%, 28 TDs, 8 ints.
improved 28% yds., 13% completion, 87% TDs, 11% ints.
JJ is not McElroy either, but damn close statistically – Except for sacks taken and the NC.
2009 – 2,508 yds., 61%, 17 TDs, 4 ints.
Not saying we’ll win it all. Not saying JJ’s stats will jump in year 2 ala. JRuss or that he’ll be as good/better than McElroy. Not inviting comments on my audacity to compare Les and the LSU staff to the almighty Saban. Just asking for a simple 10% improvement by JJ and half the sacks, and I think the rest works itself out just fine.
JJ is not JRuss, but just to compare to the last guy that started 2 consecutive seasons here:
2005 – 2,443 yds., 60%, 15 TDs, 9 ints.
2006 – 3129 yds., 68%, 28 TDs, 8 ints.
improved 28% yds., 13% completion, 87% TDs, 11% ints.
JJ is not McElroy either, but damn close statistically – Except for sacks taken and the NC.
2009 – 2,508 yds., 61%, 17 TDs, 4 ints.
Not saying we’ll win it all. Not saying JJ’s stats will jump in year 2 ala. JRuss or that he’ll be as good/better than McElroy. Not inviting comments on my audacity to compare Les and the LSU staff to the almighty Saban. Just asking for a simple 10% improvement by JJ and half the sacks, and I think the rest works itself out just fine.
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Posted on 9/1/10 at 1:34 pm to Summer of George
JJ's INT's may go up and his completion Pctg may go down if the offense improves. He is going to have to get rid of the ball more and take a few more risks
Posted on 9/1/10 at 1:44 pm to Summer of George
Very realistic
Posted on 9/1/10 at 1:45 pm to Summer of George
quote:Nope...Who ever thinks a QB, any QB, doesn't improve after a year of starting under their belt is an idiot.
Is it unrealistic to think that JJ has improved 15%
Posted on 9/1/10 at 1:47 pm to TexasTigah
JL didn't. JL got worse as his playing time increased.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 1:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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JJ's INT's may go up and his completion Pctg may go down if the offense improves. He is going to have to get rid of the ball more and take a few more risks
I will take this all day. A lower % is expected if you are stretching the field. This will also mean we are going to be able to run some. I love it when people say you can't run b/c you can't pass or you can't pass b/c you can't run. What they are saying is neither is effective and it allows the opposing D load the box.
What we need are plays that are quick enough developing such that when they do load the box, we bust them in the mouth for 10+ yd gains. It starts with our formations and checking when the D is recognized to utilize our talent as best we can against theirs. Most of this is coaching controlled, but some is QB controlled.
JJ will get more confident if his daddy (GC) gave him the keys to a car that runs and has gas in the tank instead of a car without an engine.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 1:55 pm to Summer of George
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JJ is not McElroy
Yeah because JJ is better.
This post was edited on 9/1/10 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 9/1/10 at 1:58 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Yeah because JJ is better.
agree. it you judged them on won loss records, well it is a different story - this includes high school
Posted on 9/1/10 at 1:59 pm to Summer of George
Yes. That is a good expectation.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 2:01 pm to OFWHAP
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JL didn't. JL got worse as his playing time increased.
why do you always have to throw in something ignorant. when exactly did JL's playing time increase? He played one game last year from the start, towards the end of the season...had a poor game and was booed soundly...which in itself was ignorant. JL as a 2nd year player actually moved the ball effectively for LSU...just too many pics. leave to you to come up with something ignorant.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 2:02 pm to TexasTigah
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Nope...Who ever thinks a QB, any QB, doesn't improve after a year of starting under their belt is an idiot.
..........................especially a QB who was a true sophomore in his FIRSTyear of starting. I think we'll see drastic improvement in his decision making. Considering his completion % and touchdown to interception ratio, that's the one area he can make the most improvement in.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 2:03 pm to DunbartonTiger
Very realistic!! 
Posted on 9/1/10 at 2:04 pm to Jaketigger
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won loss records
Team accomplishment.
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this includes high school
How many games did Destrehan lose with Jefferson at QB.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 2:10 pm to Jaketigger
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I will take this all day. A lower % is expected if you are stretching the field
Yep, just telling people not to judge a QB's effectiveness solely on stats. Last season proved the stats can be misleading.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 2:12 pm to lsualum96
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especially a QB who was a true sophomore in his FIRSTyear of starting. I think we'll see drastic improvement in his decision making. Considering his completion % and touchdown to interception ratio, that's the one area he can make the most improvement in.
His decision making will be pushed by the 4th year junior. I guarantee you he is hearing footsteps b/c he wasn't "getting it" well enough last year so he spent more time studying this off season.
He has to do that to keep hs spot. His coaches told him as much when they didn't allow him to "risk" it last year as the season progressed instead of letting him loose. That message is "I am going to make you follow a plan without risk so I don't bruise your ego and cause the same issue I did the previous season".
Didn't he have all of November and December 2008 with game time and spring and summer of 2009 to "get it", but his play was not appreciably better. Why? B/C our coaches held back.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 2:14 pm to DunbartonTiger
In 2008, Lee did not improve as the season went on. He also didn't show much promise in 2009. Where was I being ignorant? At which point did he move the ball well last year? Remember when he almost got TT decapitated against LA Tech?
Posted on 9/1/10 at 2:30 pm to Colonel Flagg
Why did you only quote that part? You know the part where I responded to you with "Agree" in reference to JJ being a better QB than McElroy?
I shouldn't do this, but here goes...
Why did you only quote that part? You are a freakin idiot aren't you just wanting to argue.
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won loss records
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Yes they are AND SO ARE THE LOSSES which most on here forget.
According to the "experts" on ESPN last night, McElroy has NEVER lost in his entire career going back to Junior high. So yes, he has a better won-loss record as a starting QB AND he has a NC. I am not a Bammer fan by no means, but just want to point this out to rebutt you.
Let me ask you this, As great as Dan Marino was, what is he remembered for? That is a Rhetorical question unless you do not know who he is..
I shouldn't do this, but here goes...
Why did you only quote that part? You are a freakin idiot aren't you just wanting to argue.
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won loss records
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Team accomplishment.
Yes they are AND SO ARE THE LOSSES which most on here forget.
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How many games did Destrehan lose with Jefferson at QB.
According to the "experts" on ESPN last night, McElroy has NEVER lost in his entire career going back to Junior high. So yes, he has a better won-loss record as a starting QB AND he has a NC. I am not a Bammer fan by no means, but just want to point this out to rebutt you.
Let me ask you this, As great as Dan Marino was, what is he remembered for? That is a Rhetorical question unless you do not know who he is..
Posted on 9/1/10 at 2:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Last season proved the stats can be misleading.
you are damn right...JJ's stats tell one thing, that he was average, I think he was waaaay below average.... and another stat dont lie...#112 that offense was horrid...and i think he had the most to do with it because of what he couldnt do...Yes Crowton's play calling was b/c of him...the oline aobut 20 of those sacks were his fault...the RB's no holes for them because of bump and run nickel coverage...everything revolves around the QB!...EVERYONE feeds off the QB!...the o-line, RB's WR's and TE's....if you want to be successful you have to have a QB that is smart, throws with Accuracy, and has Mental Toughness...
If he doesnt look good in the first 3 series, he hasnt improved squat...
This post was edited on 9/1/10 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 9/1/10 at 2:40 pm to TigerFan55555
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If he doesnt look good in the first 3 series, he hasnt improved squat.
Think JJ starts off strong and then digresses. Seems to be a pattern under Crowton the last couple of years. I think he will be alright early in the season. I don't care what the stats are, just move the chains.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 2:44 pm to TigerFan55555
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you are damn right...JJ's stats tell one thing, that he was average, I think he was waaaay below average.... and another stat dont lie...#112 that offense was horrid...and i think he had the most to do with it because of what he couldnt do...Yes Crowton's play calling was b/c of him...the oline aobut 20 of those sacks were his fault...the RB's no holes for them because of bump and run nickel coverage...everything revolves around the QB!...EVERYONE feeds off the QB!...the o-line, RB's WR's and TE's....if you want to be successful you have to have a QB that is smart, throws with Accuracy, and has Mental Toughness...
If he doesnt look good in the first 3 series, he hasnt improved squat...
So let me get this straight. It was completely JJ's fault that we couldn't run the ball due to bump and run nickel coverage? Do you even think before you post some of your shite about JJ? T-Bob spent 90% of his time on the field on his back. Ciron had the worst year of his career last year. Lyle Hitt had no business even being on the practice squad let alone starting every game. Teams didn't have to load up the box to stop our run. Hell, Florida and Bama often did it with just the down linemen. JJ had a lot of fault last year but lets not put the running game woes on his shoulders too.
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