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re: Is it time to hire a QB coach?

Posted on 10/19/09 at 1:50 pm to
Posted by ATLTiger
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 1:50 pm to
not sure, but I'm pretty sure they can only be GAs for a couple yrs, so that may somewhat hinder continuity. also, technically I believe Brumbaugh was a S&C coach, as was Corey Raymond.
Posted by southern man
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 1:57 pm to
FWIW, Troy Aikman always makes a big deal that the OC should be the QB coach; its a mistake to have two different coaches in thoses roles.
Posted by justustm2
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 2:12 pm to
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FWIW, Troy Aikman always makes a big deal that the OC should be the QB coach; its a mistake to have two different coaches in thoses roles.


He had a QB coach at Dallas during the early years who was credited with being a great asset to his development. So did Elway. Also its a different situation when the OC is on the sidelines with the QB's rather than upstairs in a booth.
Posted by epbart
new york city
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 2:14 pm to
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What, however is the NCAA ruling on GA's?


I think it would be fine. In fact, I mentioned this on another thread the other day.

I remember this past offseason hearing about some college, might have been Cinci, or Ohio... somewhere around there-- anyways, they basically got around the asst. coach limit by having a former d-coordinator enroll at school for one class, and came on as a GA for the team for next to no money. I think the dude was kind of getting old and was willing to do it.

So, here's my idea: talk to Bobby Hebert (I think he loves him some Tigers and might be willing), get him to enroll in one LSU Correspondence course, or whatever the minimum to qualify to come on as a GA / sort of student capacity is, and there's your GA for the QBs. Or, is Danny Wuerffel still hanging around New Orleans? ... someone can offer to donate to his charity if he helps.
Posted by ITtigah
Right around the corner
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 2:55 pm to
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softmore


Posted by southern man
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 2:58 pm to
Aikman had it both ways for the Cowboys, but his preference was for both jobs to reside with one coach.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 3:02 pm to
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cause it's not like we won 2 NC's without one or anything


For as stubborn as a game schemer that Jimbo was, he did do a good job developing QBs.

In 2007, Flynn was a 5th year senior that had four years of coaching under a different QB coach.

The knock on Crowton coming to LSU was that he did not develop QBs well. Anyone watching the past two seasons can see that our QBs regress during the season. A QB coach is the best move we can make at this point. We have a special team coach and TE coach. One guy could easily do both of those, or let Miles take special teams like Meyer does.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 3:24 pm to
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FWIW, Troy Aikman always makes a big deal that the OC should be the QB coach; its a mistake to have two different coaches in thoses roles.


No offense to ole soft skull, but he was never on a team that didn't have a coach who could develop QBs. I would agree with him in the sense that if your OC has the ability to develop QBs consistently, then the ideal situation is to have him do both. Unfortunately, LSU doesn't have that luxury.
Posted by epbart
new york city
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 5:04 pm to
I was kidding with my post above about bringing Hebert on as a grad asst (though it would be pretty interesting).

More seriously, I am curious about what Studrawa, the OL coach, brings to the table with regards to running an offense. He was actually the offensive coordinator at Bowling Green under Urban Meyer of all people, and had some very productive offenses while there (queue those who say it was all Urban's doing, and it likely was... though I think Urban is the one who promoted him from OL coach to OC... would be curious to see how much drop off their offense experienced after Urban left and Stud remained... but I digress). I wouldn't suggest he work with QBs directly since his background (per lsusports.net) is basically coaching offensive line and then OC; but I do wonder what he brings to the table; if he can/does contribute more to planning than just working with the OL, and if that can/should enable Crowton to do more work with the QBs.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 5:45 pm to
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I would agree with him in the sense that if your OC has the ability to develop QBs consistently, then the ideal situation is to have him do both. Unfortunately, LSU doesn't have that luxury.

+1,000,000,000
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 5:51 pm to
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epbart
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I was kidding with my post above about bringing Hebert on as a grad asst


I assumed you were, but bringing in someone with experience who can relate to these kids on the team might do wonders. Miles is a midwesterner and Crowton is a Mormon. Not much in common with a 19 year old from ESJ, Zachary, New Orleans, Houston, etc....

Wonder what some of the past LSU QB's are doing like: Rohan D., Herb T., M. Mauck? Anything beats seeing J. Lee and J. Jefferson come off the field and sit alone on the sidelines (after picks), talking only over a phone. They need one-on-one contact.
Posted by bayoubengals14
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 6:01 pm to
7) and barrett bailey from u-high
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 7:25 pm to
Bobby Hebert or Archie Manning would both be great additions. How about Bert Jones? But yes, the Tigers need a qualified quarterbacks coach.
Posted by Sammobile
Hollywood South
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 7:27 pm to
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And that in itself is bullshite. Jefferson is not as good as Matt Barkley who is a true freshman, not as good as Jacori Harris who is a softmore,

WOW what a Super Fail you jackass
Posted by Tiger in Texas
Houston, Texas
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 8:29 pm to
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our problems are "young" qb's

jj will be fine - just takes time
But if you use that logic, then we just as well throw away the next 2 seasons. True, some QB's develop 'late' but I don't think that's what LSU has in mind when they recruit a QB; they are not looking at projects. The obvious problem is that JJ has not progressed with the current offense, although that could be the offense that Crowton has him trying to run, but right now, something is just not right. I remember Tommy Hodson was hurt his true freshman year, so he had to redshirt. However, it was well known, had he not been injured, he would have played his true frost year. When he did play as a RS Freshman, well, he was pretty phenomenonal.
Posted by texastigerr
Texas
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9175 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 9:23 pm to
The two QB's that won those games were veteran. They weren't freshmen and sophmores with little if any experience going in. And, Jimbo ran a different offense anyway. Apples and oranges. Just because something worked out in the past doesn't mean you keep doing the same things when the situation changes.
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