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re: Is Coach O going to "Make LSU Football Great Again!"?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:25 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:25 pm to Goldrush25
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Miles was stuck with that same joke of an offense. And yet, Miles was able to still put up points, damn near beat them twice since 1/9/12.
are you fricking serious right now? you are defending the guy that couldn't cross the 50 with the best team we ever had...amazing! I never thought I would see the day CLM was defended for his offense. Bama with Saban and Kiffin couldn't score to mid 4th qtr...I guess they suck also?
Saban got shutout by bama at home...that turned out well.
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Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:33 pm to lsu2006
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there are people like me that are concerned about the long-term viability of hiring a coach that has never had any semblance of success running a program
He took over the exact team that had gone 4-7 in its last 11 games under Lane Kiffin after four games into the 2013 season and went 5-2. That is not a semblance???
He took over LSU after four games this season and went 6-2 with a TE's coach as OC. That's not a semblance?
Seems like you may just look for stuff to be concerned about.
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that requires two elite coordinators to be successful.
Steve Ensminger appreciates your kind words. Has never been called an elite coordinator before. Hell, he didn't even want the job and had to use the old system with minor tweaks to obtain his success.
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O's real worth will be determined when those two leave.
You are knocking him based upon a hypothetical circumstance that may or may not happen in the future?
You were not impressed with him firing Cam Cameron? Bradley Dale Peveto?
Not impressed with his hiring of Pete Jenkins? Matt Canada?
You think those are the only good coaching changes CEO could possibly make for the rest of his career?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:39 pm to Tiger Ree
On-field results at Bama next year will tell far more than any discussion on this board.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:43 pm to Tiger Ree
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He took over the exact team that had gone 4-7 in its last 11 games under Lane Kiffin after four games into the 2013 season and went 5-2. That is not a semblance???
He took over LSU after four games this season and went 6-2 with a TE's coach as OC. That's not a semblance?
No, not really. I'm not sure you know the difference between running a program permanently and acting as a stop-gap. It's clear he can at least be effective as a stop-gap. He's never taken the reins of a program and had any extended success. That isn't up for debate.
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Steve Ensminger appreciates your kind words. Has never been called an elite coordinator before. Hell, he didn't even want the job and had to use the old system with minor tweaks to obtain his success.
Ensminger did a nice job, also in a stop-gap role like O. Don't want to take anything away from him in that sense. Do you think he'd be a long-term answer? I don't.
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You are knocking him based upon a hypothetical circumstance that may or may not happen in the future?
What? I'm not knocking anything. I'm saying it'll be interesting to see if he can continue to maintain top-flight assistants, because that will be necessary. He has never run and offense or defense in his coaching career.
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You were not impressed with him firing Cam Cameron? Bradley Dale Peveto?
No. A 12 year old could have told you those moves were necessary.
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Not impressed with his hiring of Pete Jenkins? Matt Canada?
Jenkins... Eh. They're old friends. Still was a good move. Definitely impressed by him pulling Canada.
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You think those are the only good coaching changes CEO could possibly make for the rest of his career?
No. Why do you assume that's what I think?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:48 pm to Tiger Ree
coach O has motivated two enormously talented, underperforming teams as interim coach.
I think most folks understand this is not sufficient to qualify him as a top program HC.
How any major programs offered him as HC after his stint as interim coach at USC?
That "zero" should answer your question about who was "impressed"...
I think most folks understand this is not sufficient to qualify him as a top program HC.
How any major programs offered him as HC after his stint as interim coach at USC?
That "zero" should answer your question about who was "impressed"...
Posted on 1/23/17 at 4:24 pm to lsu2006
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I'm not sure you know the difference between running a program permanently and acting as a stop-gap
Please explain this difference to me.
Does he not game plan? Recruit? Do coaches shows? Staffing changes - at LSU?
What are these great differences? Does he not give a crap if the team wins or not because he doesn't want the job permanently? Does he just go on vacation and hit the bars every afternoon?
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He's never taken the reins of a program and had any extended success. That isn't up for debate.
Besides Jimbo none of the candidate even mentioned had. Kiffin was fired when CEO took over USC. Herman had been a HC for two years and did worse his second year than he did his first. Jimbo turned down LSU.
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Do you think he'd be a long-term answer? I don't.
I don't know. I don't base my thoughts on hypothetical non-existent events like you. I think with time and being able to make full-scale adjustments Steve Ensminger could have been more successful in the future than he was this year. LSU broke 3 or more all-time offensive records for LSU during his short tenure.
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He has never run and offense or defense in his coaching career.
It is not the head coaches job to run the offense or defense. I don't see why this would matter one Iota. With the pay LSU doles out for coordinators I don't think he will have any problem filling either roll with the best available candidate who is not a head coach at the time.
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No. Why do you assume that's what I think?
From reading your responses in this post I am responding to and other(s) in this thread.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 4:40 pm to Tiger Ree
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Besides Jimbo none of the candidate even mentioned had.
That's kind of the point everyone has attempted to make. Our "search" consisted of finding out Jimbo didn't want to leave Florida State unless he was given an unrealistic deal, throwing a hissy fit when Herman chose to negotiate like every other top coach on the market, and then running to Orgeron.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 4:43 pm to LSU2THEMAX
I like your positive attitude
Posted on 1/23/17 at 4:45 pm to nitwit
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coach O has motivated two enormously talented, underperforming teams as interim coach.
Something the two previous coaches were apparently unable to do.
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I think most folks understand this is not sufficient to qualify him as a top program HC.
Taking two teams and doing better than his predecessors is sufficient. That is why he is the LSU head coach right now.
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How any major programs offered him as HC after his stint as interim coach at USC? That "zero" should answer your question about who was "impressed"...
I'll tell you who did want him as head coach. USC players, alumni, former players including Marcus Allen and the USC media. Seems like everyone associated with USC besides the AD - Pat Hayden wanted CEO to be the coach. Hayden wanted Sarkisian which turned out to be a great hire for him.
There are links in this post to comments and tweets by media and players after he didn't get the job at USC. https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/coaching-changes/coach-o-usc-scenario/66514171/page-2/
LSU offered him after his stints at USC and LSU so yes someone was impressed with what he had done.
Hell, even Hitler would have preferred him over Sarkisian - who he called Kiffin's retarded little brother. "Well at least there is some comfort, that Coach O will still be with us on the sidelines"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEsz2OpFm_0
Posted on 1/23/17 at 4:55 pm to MOT
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throwing a hissy fit when Herman chose to negotiate like every other top coach
Tom Herman has been a head coach for two years. His second year he finished in 4th place in his division and in 6th place in the overall AAC standings with the most talented team. If he hadn't thrown a hissy fit then LSU would have a problem.
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and then running to Orgeron.
It's probably who he wanted all along besides maybe Jimbo. Alleva was around the football team and had to have noticed the difference during the time CEO was in charge.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 5:37 pm to Tiger Ree
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Tom Herman has been a head coach for two years.
And still had more wins and accomplishments than Orgeron had in his tenure as head coach.
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It's probably who he wanted all along besides maybe Jimbo.
Then Alleva is even worse than we originally thought.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 1/23/17 at 5:38 pm to LSU2THEMAX
My worst fear is that he'll be good enough to stick around long enough to run the program into the ground.
That, and sharks.
That, and sharks.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 5:51 pm to LSU2THEMAX
I hope so. He has talent and 2 of the best coordinators in cfb.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 5:59 pm to blueboy
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worst fear is that he'll be good enough to stick around long enough to run the program into the ground.
My biggest fear is he will be so coordinator dependant.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:04 pm to LSU2THEMAX
One thing that isn't debatable is that Orgeron has zero excuses if he doesn't.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:56 pm to SeekGreatness
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One thing that isn't debatable is that Orgeron has zero excuses if he doesn't.
Yep. If he loses 3-4 games it will be all on him. He was given a roster of top 5 classes and 2 of the best coordinators in cfb.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:58 pm to Topwater Trout
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you are defending the guy that couldn't cross the 50 with the best team we ever had...amazing
Not true.
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I never thought I would see the day CLM was defended for his offense
You do realize that a miles coached team has 3 of the 5 most productive offenses in lsu history,right? But hey why would you use facts when shitting on miles?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:59 pm to MOT
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I don't think anyone hates O. Most people hate Alleva, and deservedly so. I don't hold Alleva's incompetence against Orgeron
Exactly. Its not Coach O's fault and im genuinely happy that he could share that moment with his mother.
You get labeled an Orgeron hater when you point out that he isnt qualified for the lsu job. People really believe he was the 3rd best candidate.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:06 pm to Tiger Ree
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e took over the exact team that had gone 4-7 in its last 11 games under Lane Kiffin after four games into the 2013 season and went 5-2. That is not a semblance???
He wasnt running the offense or the defense. He was chosen as interim because both coordinators had coached all of 4 games at usc. Usc just wasnt dumb enough to hire a career position coach after an average interim tenure.
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He took over LSU after four games this season and went 6-2 with a TE's coach as OC. That's not a semblance?
He wasnt running the offense or the defense. He took over interum because Aranda had coached 4 games at lsu and Cam was getting fired regardless. Alleva was dumb enough to think a career dline coach was the 3rd best candidate for one of the hardest jobs in cfb.
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You are knocking him based upon a hypothetical circumstance that may or may not happen in the future?
You were not impressed with him firing Cam Cameron? Bradley Dale Peveto?
Not impressed with his hiring of Pete Jenkins? Matt Canada?
You think those are the only good coaching changes CEO could possibly make for the rest of his career?
The best coaches in cfb are not dependent on their coordinators. There are literally dozens of coaches that wouldnt need high paid coordinators.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:11 pm to Tiger Ree
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Tom Herman has been a head coach for two years. His second year he finished in 4th place in his division and in 6th place in the overall AAC standings with the most talented team. If he hadn't thrown a hissy fit then LSU would have a problem.
Whats Orgeron's resume as a head coach?
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's probably who he wanted all along besides maybe Jimbo. Alleva was around the football team and had to have noticed the difference during the time CEO was in charge.
If Alleva wanted a coach that has never had any success as a coordinator or head coach then he is the worst AD in lsu history.
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