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Posted on 1/24/17 at 11:55 am to LSU2THEMAX
SMH at the downvotes 
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:01 pm to Stephen1979
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A decade or more ago, he would have come unglued in such an instance. I watched closely bc that was an in the moment experience that showed more than words. He didn't get in the kids face. He gave him the look and that was that. But he didn't coach scared and he didn't handle that moment like a defensive line coach.
This is actually a great point. I remember our game against Orgeron in Ole Miss in 2005. Ole Miss must have fumbled the snap that game 3 or 4 times. I think it took them 12 or 13 plays before they had a positive yardage play. I remember seeing Orgeron red in the face yelling at the Ole Miss QB (Ethan Flatt maybe?). Kid was obviously in his head fumbling snaps. Yelling at him like he was wasn't going to help the situation.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:06 pm to lsufball19
Coaching under Pete Carrol probably has helped with his sideline demeanor
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:08 pm to Topwater Trout
Can you tell me how many seasons he coached under Carroll since then?
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:09 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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You deem my reaction and posting childish because it doesnt fit your opinion.
The childish part is that you keep repeating "has never ran a successful offense or defense"-- we get your point. You don't count interim coaching-- we get your point. O was 55 and a career Dline coach-- we get your point. Give it a rest or come up with something new. Even you have to be tired of repeating -- just type "see my previous 400 other posts". You can even shorten it to " "SMP400", we will know what you mean.
And for the last time-- correct grammar is "has never run". It's in the past. Use past tense.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:15 pm to MOT
no...does it matter?
Haven't you heard many successful coaches attribute their success to former coaches they worked for?
Is it not logical to expect him to learn from those coaches?
Haven't you heard many successful coaches attribute their success to former coaches they worked for?
Is it not logical to expect him to learn from those coaches?
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:17 pm to beauxroux
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correct grammar is "has never run". It's in the past. Use past tense.
Thank you...that duke education
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:18 pm to Topwater Trout
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no...does it matter?
Like most other logic involved in this scenario, apparently not. Carry on.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:37 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Anyway i agree O has done a great job since the interim tag was removed.
Hiring O is a risk....but one worth taking in retrospect. What we would have had to give up to get JF/TH would not have been worth it more than likely. I wasnt in favor of the hire initially but realized it was prolly the best we could do at the time. Short of NS, no one hired was gonna make everyone happy.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:37 pm to MOT
why not answer my other questions...i answered yours. Tell me what point you were trying to make. I assume you were trying to state he wasn't under him long and he couldn't possibly of learned anything from him?
Posted on 1/24/17 at 1:00 pm to Topwater Trout
He hasn't coached under Carroll in more than a decade, which means before Ole Miss and not after. You can draw your own conclusions from there.
It isn't your fault for getting caught up in the hype campaign. Our fan base is pretty gullible, O was able to take advantage of it and turn it into his dream job. Good for him, I hope he runs with it and is extremely successful. But it's disappointing the athletic director can't be counted on to make rational, logical decisions, or do his job in general.
It isn't your fault for getting caught up in the hype campaign. Our fan base is pretty gullible, O was able to take advantage of it and turn it into his dream job. Good for him, I hope he runs with it and is extremely successful. But it's disappointing the athletic director can't be counted on to make rational, logical decisions, or do his job in general.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 1:08 pm to MOT
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He hasn't coached under Carroll in more than a decade, which means before Ole Miss and not after. You can draw your own conclusions from there.
b/c no one matures and draws on past experiences after having failed right? His interim jobs he has had a completely different demeanor on the sidelines as he did at Ole Miss
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It isn't your fault for getting caught up in the hype campaign.
I have never been caught up...if anything I believed he could be the man to run the program before any hype machine ever got rolling.
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But it's disappointing the athletic director can't be counted on to make rational, logical decisions, or do his job in general.
I don't think this hire supports this and I don't even like Alleva. I believe Herman and Fisher were the leading candidates.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 1:25 pm to Topwater Trout
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I don't think this hire supports this and I don't even like Alleva. I believe Herman and Fisher were the leading candidates.
I believe the poster was referring to the fact that Alleva didn't attempt to entertain more candidates prior to going with CEO. A good AD makes informed decisions and in the case of the football hire...there wasn't as much information or interviews as there could have been.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 1:29 pm to MOT
Alleva can leave tomorrow and it would make my year.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 1:39 pm to Topwater Trout
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b/c no one matures and draws on past experiences after having failed right?
Sure, it seems like I've heard it several hundred times per day since September 26th, and at some point on or after November 26th prior failure on a historic level became a desired qualification.
He was masterful at manipulating the story, and everyone necessary to get the job. If he can consistently pull off the same magic on the recruiting trail we're going to be in great shape.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 1:45 pm to MOT
do you not agree he appears to have changed since his time at Ole Miss?
Do you think he had the same opportunities for success at Ole Miss as he does at LSU?
Why not be optimistic? If he fails you can revel in the fact that you don't think he should have been hired
Do you think he had the same opportunities for success at Ole Miss as he does at LSU?
Why not be optimistic? If he fails you can revel in the fact that you don't think he should have been hired
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:07 pm to Topwater Trout
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do you not agree he appears to have changed since his time at Ole Miss? Do you think he had the same opportunities for success at Ole Miss as he does at LSU? Why not be optimistic? If he fails you can revel in the fact that you don't think he should have been hired
Yes, yes and a resounding Yes!
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:09 pm to Topwater Trout
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do you not agree he appears to have changed since his time at Ole Miss?
I didn't follow him closely at Ole Miss and saw him coach 8 gameweeks at LSU this past season. However, I can recycle all of the same lines about him changing that were fed to the media if that's what you're asking for.
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Do you think he had the same opportunities for success at Ole Miss as he does at LSU?
I think he had the same opportunities for success at Ole Miss as his predecessors and successors. He didn't fail at Ole Miss based on LSU standards, he failed at Ole Miss based on Ole Miss standards.
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Why not be optimistic? If he fails you can revel in the fact that you don't think he should have been hired
I'm optimistic he will win and not run the program into the ground. I will continue to rail against the process that resulted in his hire because it was irrational and irresponsible, and the administrator who was 100% responsible for it is still employed in the same capacity as he was two months ago. He must go before another important hire has to be made, which will be soon in order to correct his most recent botched basketball hire.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:14 pm to Topwater Trout
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do you not agree he appears to have changed since his time at Ole Miss?
Do you think he had the same opportunities for success at Ole Miss as he does at LSU?
I'm honestly not sure if he's changed but it has been a long time. People learn and grow. We'll see. But it's not like it's been proven unequivocally that he's learned from every pitfall he fell into at Ole Miss. He's had two above-average stints as an interim coach with stacked rosters since then, which is definitely nice but it's not a perfect indicator. He does seem quite a bit more mature and professional since his time at Ole Miss, I will absolutely give him that.
And of course he will have better opportunities here than at Ole Miss. We have more money and more in-state talent. But the point is it's not like he did OK there and just needed more "resources" or what have you to get him over the hump. He was downright AWFUL for 3 seasons and then Houston Nutt came in and won 9 games immediately after him.
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Why not be optimistic? If he fails you can revel in the fact that you don't think he should have been hired
I am optimistic. We have a stacked roster and two good to great coordinators, so IMHO we're set for a couple years at least. I want O to succeed. I hope/wish he has learned from whatever caused his abject failure at Ole Miss and he leads us into another golden era. I'm just a tad apprehensive.
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