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re: In the NC Game or Not-The Fix is In
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:38 am to DocJerome
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:38 am to DocJerome
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Way out of line with the veiled discrimination analogy. Your point could have been valid if it were not for disdainful anti-racial equality rant. This post is a total fail.
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To the OP, if LSU does their part, they'll get in.
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Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:40 am to TigerPaul2
The serious problem for LSU is to win their own division and conference first. That has proven an elusive task the last 3 years. Then we have the other problem of losing less than 2 games which has never happened while Les has been here. In other words LSU has enough to worry about without crying about a championship game that hasn't taken place when they haven't won their SEC division in 3 years.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 4:30 am to TigerPaul2
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This is a serious problem for LSU
Going undefeated with our schedule is an infinitely more serious problem then your original post suggests.
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First, they chose to be in poor conferences (to avoid competition)
Already been discussed as to why this is 100% incorrect.
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The post was about the threat that the dominant Media’s primary principle of nondiscrimination poses to teams such as LSU, which plays at least six upper-tier teams away every year
There are a lot of incorrect facts you are bringing to the table here.
That really weakens any type of argument, however weak it may be, you're trying to make.
This post was edited on 1/20/11 at 4:31 am
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:00 am to TigerPaul2
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Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:03 am to The Eric
All u have to do is keep winning.Very simple 
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:19 am to TigerPaul2
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Posted on 1/20/11 at 10:18 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
Who would u rather watch? Who will fill the stadium each week? Who would a national audience rather watch? Its all about money!
Posted on 1/20/11 at 11:31 am to TigerPaul2
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First, they chose to be in poor conferences (to avoid competition) and did not have to undergo grueling, significant bowl-type games such as occur most weeks in, for example, the SEC and the Big 10 (to a lesser extent).
TCU is moving to the Big East to eliminate that argument. The Big East is a BCS conference.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:50 pm to xiv
Even assuming for the sake of argument that the computers reveal some knowledge in the obscure numbers listed, there is no way that a rational algorithm would rate TCU as high as proposed. TCU simply played weak sisters. If the computers yielded the justifications, the computer programmers erred. Junk in, junk out.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 10:12 pm to TigerPaul2
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First, they chose to be in poor conferences (to avoid competition)
I think my IQ dropped reading this stupid post. My only comment on this lie is that you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. If you have to lie to make your point, its a good indicator that you have no valid point.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 11:03 pm to TigerPaul2
Strength of schedule Oregon 68 TCU 70. Please tell me the difference.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 11:05 pm to H-Town Tiger
Nothing presented has refuted the main point, LSU and a number of other quality teams are the objects of discrimination and affirmative action all in the name of nondiscrimination. TCU is good; but they did not earn the right to compete with LSU. Sure going undefeated is a powerful position that LSU might hold in the future; but don’t forget Auburn, a perennial powerful SEC team, went undefeated in 2004 and was denied a chance to defeat USC. Refuting beliefs is difficult when the believers present no facts.
Posted on 1/21/11 at 1:31 am to TigerPaul2
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Nothing presented has refuted the main point
You also haven't presented anything that proves your main point.
Even further, a lot of the "facts" you threw out to prove your point have been proven incorrect.
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TCU is good; but they did not earn the right
No they didn't, which is why they didn't play in the title game. So your ide athat LSU and other schools are being "discriminated against" seems incorrect already.
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don’t forget Auburn, a perennial powerful SEC team, went undefeated in 2004 and was denied a chance to defeat USC
How is this remotely relevant to your main point??? OU and USC were BCS teams who played tougher schedules than Auburn did. Your idea is about TCU and other smaller conferences teams so this point makes absolutely no sense to your main point you keep harping on.
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Refuting beliefs is difficult when the believers present no facts.
You know what else is difficult...when your beliefs actually have been refuted, but you refuse to see it.
Also difficult...you calling others out for presenting no facts when YOU haven't presented any facts either, and furthermore, the little facts you did present were incorrect.
Posted on 1/21/11 at 9:27 am to TigerPaul2
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Nothing presented has refuted the main point, LSU and a number of other quality teams are the objects of discrimination and affirmative action all in the name of nondiscrimination. TCU is good; but they did not earn the right to compete with LSU. Sure going undefeated is a powerful position that LSU might hold in the future; but don’t forget Auburn, a perennial powerful SEC team, went undefeated in 2004 and was denied a chance to defeat USC. Refuting beliefs is difficult when the believers present no facts.
You do realize that using big words does not mean you are making a good point?
Posted on 1/21/11 at 10:36 pm to tadelatt
To those that say, “Nothing proves the main point” or “LSU-caliber teams were not discriminated against.”
Response: Right in the second sentence of the post was, “Boise State and TCU . . . were ranked in the top four down to the wire.” For goodness sake, if Oregon or probably Auburn had lost one game in the latter half of the season and TCU or Boise State or both had gone undefeated, TCU or Boise State or both would have been in the NC. Moreover, Boise State was ranked above LSU after 11 whole games and LSU had lost once (barely) to the National Champion, Auburn; and LSU had had beaten North Carolina, Mississippi State, West Virginia, Florida, Alabama, and Tennessee, all bowl teams. Heck, Boise State even ended up being ranked higher than LSU in the final polls despite LSU having soundly beaten a fine Texas A&M team that had beaten Oklahoma, Texas, and Nebraska. Who had Boise State beaten? Virginia Tech, who had beaten no one ranked above 21 and had lost to a Division II team and was appropriately trounced by a top 4 team 40-12 in the Rose Bowl.
OU and USC had tougher schedules than Auburn, the undefeated champion of the SEC? No facts are going to change that belief. More importantly, Boise State and TCU are not comparable to OU and USC, which are upper-tier teams.
I suppose nondiscrimination is a big word, but it is the word forced on us by the dominant Media. A better word is an interesting challenge though. Anti-bias? Too awkward?
Look, believing in nondiscrimination as a primary principle does not mean a person is bad. Most Americans believe it after decades of propaganda.
Response: Right in the second sentence of the post was, “Boise State and TCU . . . were ranked in the top four down to the wire.” For goodness sake, if Oregon or probably Auburn had lost one game in the latter half of the season and TCU or Boise State or both had gone undefeated, TCU or Boise State or both would have been in the NC. Moreover, Boise State was ranked above LSU after 11 whole games and LSU had lost once (barely) to the National Champion, Auburn; and LSU had had beaten North Carolina, Mississippi State, West Virginia, Florida, Alabama, and Tennessee, all bowl teams. Heck, Boise State even ended up being ranked higher than LSU in the final polls despite LSU having soundly beaten a fine Texas A&M team that had beaten Oklahoma, Texas, and Nebraska. Who had Boise State beaten? Virginia Tech, who had beaten no one ranked above 21 and had lost to a Division II team and was appropriately trounced by a top 4 team 40-12 in the Rose Bowl.
OU and USC had tougher schedules than Auburn, the undefeated champion of the SEC? No facts are going to change that belief. More importantly, Boise State and TCU are not comparable to OU and USC, which are upper-tier teams.
I suppose nondiscrimination is a big word, but it is the word forced on us by the dominant Media. A better word is an interesting challenge though. Anti-bias? Too awkward?
Look, believing in nondiscrimination as a primary principle does not mean a person is bad. Most Americans believe it after decades of propaganda.
Posted on 1/22/11 at 1:35 am to TigerPaul2
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This is a serious problem for LSU, and the fix is already in. Boise State and TCU never earned a chance at the national title and yet they were ranked in the top four down to the wire. They simply did not earn it however talented they were. First, they chose to be in poor conferences (to avoid competition) and did not have to undergo grueling, significant bowl-type games such as occur most weeks in, for example, the SEC and the Big 10 (to a lesser extent). Second, does anyone believe that after playing 10 games against one another, Boise State would have beaten Auburn as many as five times? Three times? Once? Maybe once. TCU? Hard to say precisely how many games TCU would have won. Five? Not a chance despite Auburn hypothetically losing one SEC game.
The root of the problem is bias grounded in the principle of nondiscrimination. Boise State and TCU have been fielding excellent teams for some years now, and they have been discriminated against because of their backgrounds, their conferences. (The dominant Media thinks in terms of discrimination, an evil idea to the Media.) It just isn’t fair, so thinks the Media, that establishment conference leaders (in the Big 10, SEC, Big 12, and Pac 10) are better. The unprincipled exception to the nondiscrimination principle is affirmative action, which the Media cannot admit undermines the primary principle. Therefore, the Media couched affirmative-action type arguments in favor of Boise State and TCU in terms of, “We’re searching for the best team .” Or the Media used the root “deserve” and gave some rational though inadequate reasons
What??????? Can you put that into ten words or less?
Posted on 1/22/11 at 11:12 pm to RobDione
The Media discriminates against LSU in the name of nondiscrimtination.
Posted on 1/22/11 at 11:26 pm to TigerPaul2
Go to this link.This ranking is based on who beat who during the season.
whobeat.net
"a win-based seeding process"
whobeat.net
"a win-based seeding process"
Posted on 1/22/11 at 11:38 pm to cclifford
That is a dreadful site. I suspect computers, which must be tested against common sense, which is wholly missing.
But the search for rationality and fairness is super. So let us search for excellent computer programmers. Recall that in 2003, LSU was propelled into the National Championship because the computers were 2/3 of the equation.
But the search for rationality and fairness is super. So let us search for excellent computer programmers. Recall that in 2003, LSU was propelled into the National Championship because the computers were 2/3 of the equation.
This post was edited on 1/22/11 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 1/22/11 at 11:56 pm to TigerPaul2
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Nothing presented has refuted the main point,
In your OP you said TCU (and others choose to be in "lesser conferences" to avoid competition. This completely false for many reason. In the case of TCU they wanted to join the Big XII at its inception, but politicians in Texas basically forced Baylor in the Big 12 instead.
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LSU and a number of other quality teams are the objects of discrimination and affirmative action all in the name of nondiscrimination
What in the frick does this even mean
TCU and Boise Were ranked higher than Auburn and Oregon at the start of the season. Yet Oregon and AU passed both. quote:
TCU is good; but they did not earn the right to compete with LSU.
I don't know what the frick this means either. LSU and TCU are both D1, NCAA sanctioned football programs. How does one "earn" the right to compete with LSU? TCU was unbeaten and won a major bowl over the com champs of the Big 10.
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Sure going undefeated is a powerful position that LSU might hold in the future; but don’t forget Auburn, a perennial powerful SEC team, went undefeated in 2004 and was denied a chance to defeat USC.
Well there were more than 2 unbeaten teams in 2004. USC and OU, unlike Auburn, were actually perennial powers at the time. In 2003 AU was 7-5, USC 12-1 was #1 in the AP and OU was 12-2 #3 and lost the BCS CG the year before. Since neither USC or OU are Non-AQ's your "point" has no merit.
In 2008 Utah was undefeated, but a 1 loss SEC team played a i loss Big 12 team in the title game.
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Refuting beliefs is difficult when the believers present no facts.
Does any of this make any sense to you? Are you a 911 truther?
What facts are you presenting? Your post is nothing by paranoid, rambling stupidity and speculation. You should consider seeking medical treatment
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