re: In defense of MIles

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He could have offered some 3 star to come on as a qb.

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A 3 star QB couldnt get playing time at a bunch of schools, so why in the hell would he go to one with Russell, Flynn, and Perrilloux?

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ok so he has as over a year to recruit and has to take what he can get? well our previous staff got an amazing class in their first full class and that was coming from a program that was down. how do you explain that?????

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And managed a Top 10 class.. it's not as if he picked up the leftovers after Miss. State finished. People got away because he'd only been coaching for a year.

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also 13 players from that class are no longer on the roster or never made it. who's fault is that? thats 13 players that would be juniors or seniors.

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And most of them would be sitting behind the starters on the O-line

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ok so he has as over a year to recruit and has to take what he can get? well our previous staff got an amazing class in their first full class and that was coming from a program that was down. how do you explain that?????

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miles got an extremely late start due to saban's late departure, that should be considered.

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I think his recruiting is overrated

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Me too. And it will only get worse b/c Miles redshirts every freshman which is a stupid approach to coaching. Talent wasted on the bench.

I know this is really long, but I put a lot of thought into it, so I don't think you'll be disappointed if you read it.

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I agree that you are right about the 05 class but the 06 class is upperclassman and the results speak for themselves.

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I pointed out that it takes two years to fully recruit players. You have to get in the door with them as juniors and close as seniors. Also, he was still a "new coach", not yet proven in the eyes of recruits.

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also much of the 06 class is no longer on the team and thats miles's fault.

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The attrition rate is a little higher than normal, but it's to be expected, due to the previous idea. In 2006, Miles wasn't completely in the swing of recruiting. As future signing classes came in with more talent, the upperclassmen sank on the depth charts and transferred away. Also, in the 2006 class, Miles didn't have the ability to use as much discretion on character as he does now, leading to some off the field trouble.

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who said they were horrible? i said that many from that class are no longer on the team. and that class makes up much of the starters on the team pretty much blowing what flask was talking about out the water.

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Actually, it just solidifies what I said, that we are experiencing a talent gap. No shite a the JR/SR class makes up a lot of the starters. They are the most physically developed and they are the most experienced players on the team. I know the rant would like to have a starting lineup made of only freshmen, sophomores, and Trindon Holliday but show me a successful program that plays mostly underclassmen. The only decent teams playing a ton of underclassmen are teams who have recruited well in recent years AND have terrible upperclassmen. This is common when a new coach takes over a program that is in shambles. This was not the case for Miles.

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i believe the HC hires the assistants, correct me if Im wrong though. If that true and the OC is responsible for QB development then doesnt the ultimate responsibility fall on the shoulders of Miles?

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Yes, but you are acting like we have a fifth year senior at QB. we have a 19 year old true sophomore. I don't love JJ, but I have definitely seen a good bit of progression in him over the season. Everyone had their hopes way too high after the Chic-Fil-A bowl where Jefferson torched a crappy ACC defense, back before we realized how miserable the ACC really was.

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Also why didnt miles recruit another qb in 06 after Alex Cate decommitted? maybe miles should have planned ahead.

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He could have signed some scrub, like you suggested, but that would have only added to the attrition that you seem to hate Miles for. I agree that some times you have to sign a player that you may not think will ever start, just for depth, but pulling in someone who you know will never be good enough to play, just for the sake of having a warm body on the depth chart is dumb. Also, the sense of urgency wasn't there because we had Perriloux riding the pine as a freshman. Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but realistically do you think that was such a terrible move?

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White Tiger

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Your non-sequitur remarks show:

1- how dumb you are
2- how right I am

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lsu777

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While I disagree with you. I can certainly respect your opinions. You have obviously put some thought into the situation. My only suggestion is that you remember that hindsight is 20/20.

I don't blindly support Miles. In fact, I was pretty anti-Miles in his first few years, but that was before I really got into the program and understanding how the college game works. It's easy to critique from the couch, looking back, but there's really been nothing that Miles has done that has warranted him getting the Axe, as of now. The best argument that can be made against him is "you can't spell Les Miles with out 2 L's". Sure he got lucky with the NC, but he's still ran through 10 win seasons like he was born to do it (sans 2008, which is addressed in the OP).

If I told you that in his first 5 years, Les Miles would have 4 (assuming we win the bowl game, which is a good bet considering Les' track record, addressed later) ten win seasons, an SEC championship, a national championship, and would recruit as well as Saban did in his tenure here (which he has, and probably better), you would have been ecstatic. It's the same situation as with the expectations for this year. Everyone expected us to lose three games, but when we only lost three games, people wanted Miles fired. I can't even begin to explain it.

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I pointed out that it takes two years to fully recruit players. You have to get in the door with them as juniors and close as seniors. Also, he was still a "new coach", not yet proven in the eyes of recruits.

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Saban's 2001 recruiting class (his second class) seemed to do pretty well at LSU. He didn't need a full two years to recruit good talent at LSU.

miles has no excuse when he came to lsu. coaches across this country would have pissed on themselves to inheret a team like he got when he came here. many of those players are in the pros now.several didn't play for saban but they did practice under him and look at the team then. what you saw in the sec tourny will be what you see every year .miles will continue to get beat by bama every year and once in a while he will pull an upset over fla. but all in all he will be 2nd,3rd, or 4th in the west. i really see 4th next year if he stays and it won't be long before the dinardo , hallman days are back. bama looked like lsu when saban was here several years ago which made it hard to watch the game.mark it in the book the longer miles stays the worst we will get and the harder it will be to get lsu back in the mix.

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I stopped bringing it up because I do not enjoy being ridiculed.

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Who cares? Their insults are worthless when their motives and agendas are exposed.

The TD.com Tiger Rant board enables give-and-take for everyone, not just for Ranters who are useless pricks with nothing else to do but go after other members (under the guise of honest and adult exchanges concerning LSU football).

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it was posted the other day but let me ask your opinion.

In 3 years LSU has signed 48 kids rated 4 or 5* by rivals. Out of that 48, 14 are no longer on the team.


Florida by contrast has signed 56 and only 7 are no longer on the team.

Bama is similar to Florida in the fact percentage wise they are lower attrition rate than LSU.

In your opinion how does this show LSU can remain competitive with these 2 schools when currently Auburn/Arkansas/and even Ole Miss are recruiting better than previous years and in the East Georgia and Tennessee are right there.

Seems the gap between Florida/Bama and LSU is widening while gap between LSU and rest is getting narrow.

RP put the screws to us for 2 years.