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re: In 2008, which game made you lose it with Lee?
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:21 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:21 pm to Antonio Moss
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Russell had a pretty solid Freshman year.
OK, and ... ? in 10 games
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73-144-4 50.7%; 1053 yards; 9 TDs; 13 sacks -109 yards
Now compare that to Lee, and it's easy to see why everyone said he was the best freshman since Hodson. In 11 games
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143-269-16 53.2%; 1873 yards; 14 TDs; 8 sacks -74
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Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:23 pm to AndyJ
UGA
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:25 pm to TIsuGGER
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OK, and ... ? in 10 gamesquote:
73-144-4 50.7%; 1053 yards; 9 TDs; 13 sacks -109 yards
quote:Please. Don't ever say another word about cherry picked stats.
Now compare that to Lee, and it's easy to see why everyone said he was the best freshman since Hodson. In 11 gamesquote:
143-269-16 53.2%; 1873 yards; 14 TDs; 8 sacks -74
Hmmmmm . . . what important stat might be missing from your comparison . . .
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:27 pm to Antonio Moss
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I guess you were in a coma in 2004?
Lee had a better comp % with almost twice as many passes, 800 more yards, and 5 more TDs. He also had less sacks. Sure, he had 12 more INTs, but he also started and/or played in all but one game that year. Saban coddled JR and took him out any time he made a small mistake.
Lee had a far more successful season. Especially considering the pressure of having to be the only QB on the team and not having the luxury of having a senior QB bail you out when you make mistakes.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:29 pm to Weizenman
The defense gave up because Lee kept flipping the field on them and giving the other team points they didn't deserve.
The defense was basically going into goal line stand constantly having to stop someone from getting 5-10 yards after an INT which is almost impossible, and they were staying on the field too long, getting tired, and unable to make stops.
Lee kept throwing into double and triple coverage over the middle again and again (at Crowton's direction) which forced the rest of the team to just say aww frick it.
The recievers were NOT giving up on the ball, it was thrown consistently where they could not get to it, and the defenders could.
The defense was basically going into goal line stand constantly having to stop someone from getting 5-10 yards after an INT which is almost impossible, and they were staying on the field too long, getting tired, and unable to make stops.
Lee kept throwing into double and triple coverage over the middle again and again (at Crowton's direction) which forced the rest of the team to just say aww frick it.
The recievers were NOT giving up on the ball, it was thrown consistently where they could not get to it, and the defenders could.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:30 pm to AndyJ
i honestly never did. and fought with everyone around me that he needed to stay the starter and be the starter the next year. becuase of a few reasons
he played very well in games we were either equally matched or over matched (aside from 1 half against troy). the only struggles came in games we were undermatched in. and still looked well in spurts of the FLA, UGA, and BAMA games.
and the fact that mathew stafford had 23ish? ints in his true freshman year, and he turned out pretty well.
the kid's always had talent and ability and the arm. he was making checks and audibling at the line as a RS freshman. it was just a matter of gaining the experience.
he played very well in games we were either equally matched or over matched (aside from 1 half against troy). the only struggles came in games we were undermatched in. and still looked well in spurts of the FLA, UGA, and BAMA games.
and the fact that mathew stafford had 23ish? ints in his true freshman year, and he turned out pretty well.
the kid's always had talent and ability and the arm. he was making checks and audibling at the line as a RS freshman. it was just a matter of gaining the experience.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:32 pm to just me
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Hmmmmm . . . what important stat might be missing from your comparison . . .
Copied and pasted from LSUSports, so what did they leave out?
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:34 pm to saintdominate
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and the fact that mathew stafford had 23ish? ints in his true freshman year,
Subtract ten from that.
Lee's doing great now but I don't know how anybody could delude themselves into believing a 14 touchdown 16 interception season was a good year.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:35 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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The recievers were NOT giving up on the ball, it was thrown consistently where they could not get to it, and the defenders could.
that's horse crap. their were several INTs that hit WRs in the hands that were tipped directly to the defense. And, if Lafell jumps he at least knocks down the intercepted pass against Bama in OT. And, don't get me started on Byrd.
If the team rallied around Lee when he was throwing INTs the way they rallied around JJ when he was throwing for 75 yards a game last year, 2008 could have been very different.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:38 pm to saintsfan22
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and the fact that mathew stafford had 23ish? ints in his true freshman year,
Subtract ten from that.
13 INTs. But, he only had 7 TD passes. He had like 1 TD through 8 games.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:38 pm to hashtag
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their were several INTs that hit WRs in the hands that were tipped directly to the defense.
Like the one where Byrd was in between 4 Bama defenders and got murdered by one of them and then it was picked off?
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And, if Lafell jumps he at least knocks down the intercepted pass against Bama in OT
So you at least admit it was a terrible uncatchable pass?
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:38 pm to saintsfan22
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believing a 14 touchdown 16 interception season was a good year
For a freshman or RSFR in the SEC, I'd say that's pretty normal.
The abnormal thing was the INTs returned for 6. And there was certainly some "quit" once the ball was picked off.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:41 pm to MandevilleLSUTiger
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I'd say that's pretty normal.
That doesn't make it good it just means most freshman have crappy years Lee included.
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And there was certainly some "quit" once the ball was picked off.
There was maybe one that wasn't a straight path to the endzone.
This post was edited on 10/26/11 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:48 pm to hashtag
quote:Sure, but Lee also started and/or played in all but one game that year. So of course, Lee is going to have more yards and more TDs.
Lee had a better comp % with almost twice as many passes, 800 more yards, and 5 more TDs. He also had less sacks.
Russell had more yards per attempt: 7.3 v. 6.9
Russell had a higher scoring % per attempt: 6.25% v. 4.8%
Russell had a higher rating: 127.2 v. 115.7
Russell had less than half the interception % per attempt: 2.7% v. 5.9%
quote:So you're saying that Jefferson was a leader in 2010 and Lee wasn't a leader in 2008? I'll but that theory. However, Lee was just a RSFr so cut him slack.
If the team rallied around Lee when he was throwing INTs the way they rallied around JJ when he was throwing for 75 yards a game last year, 2008 could have been very different.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:49 pm to TIsuGGER
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Copied and pasted from LSUSports, so what did they leave out?
I really hope you're just being smug.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:55 pm to AndyJ
With the huge fits I through during the 07' season, I was relatively calm during 08'....I'm not playing the holy roller or anything, I never got mad at JLee...I was even at the 08' Bama game and was just in awe of the fight that the team put up...even though JLee kinda lost it for us... 
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:58 pm to Antonio Moss
i didnt blame lee in 08, rs fr wasnt ready. i jumped on the jj train cus the coaches were obviousky trying to run more and limit turnovers.
now lee lost me after that la tech game. i saw a kid that didnt look like he didnt want to be at lsu anynore. Props to him for sticking it out. I think he eventually realized he was gonna get more pt with jj getting dinged up and his poor play last season.
now lee lost me after that la tech game. i saw a kid that didnt look like he didnt want to be at lsu anynore. Props to him for sticking it out. I think he eventually realized he was gonna get more pt with jj getting dinged up and his poor play last season.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 1:03 pm to ZereauxSum
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Copied and pasted from LSUSports, so what did they leave out?
I really hope you're just being smug.
And you expected what?
Objectivity or reason?
You should know better.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 1:06 pm to just me
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Russell had more yards per attempt: 7.3 v. 6.9
Flynn's was 9.9 his freshman year
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Russell had a higher scoring % per attempt: 6.25% v. 4.8%
Flynn's was 10%
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Russell had a higher rating: 127.2 v. 115.7
Flynn's freshman year was 156.2
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Russell had less than half the interception % per attempt: 2.7% v. 5.9%
Flynn didn't throw an int
That's why you're the king of cherry picked stats. Lee had a better stat line because he assumed the starting role as a freshman. JR could not. Ergo, Lee had the best freshman season since Hodson.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 1:11 pm to AndyJ
quote:Tulane, if I had to pick.
which game made you lose it with Lee?
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