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re: IMO we need to change our pitching approach
Posted on 5/15/23 at 1:02 pm to Jax Teller
Posted on 5/15/23 at 1:02 pm to Jax Teller
Pitch to contact is not a winning strategy when your fastball tops out at 92 mph, which is the case for most of our bullpen.
This isn't AA travel ball, this is SEC hitting.
Skenes and Floyd can both smoke the fastball, so that works for them, but it doesn't for anyone else.
We have three of our best pitchers on the shelf. What's left is a bunch of 92mph guys who aren't missing the plate by much.
The way SEC umps are calling this year, not giving the black or even in some cases not giving the edge of the white, it's forcing pitchers to throw more fastballs, and we just don't have enough high velo guys available who can do that.
It's either pitch around the plate, and hope a guy swings, or it's pitch 92 mph down the plate and give up 20 hits a game.
Here's the hell of it... if this is how college baseball is going to be now... we can go out and recruit more high velo guys... but high velo guys are also at a higher risk for injury... especially if they have been high velo for years.
This isn't AA travel ball, this is SEC hitting.
Skenes and Floyd can both smoke the fastball, so that works for them, but it doesn't for anyone else.
We have three of our best pitchers on the shelf. What's left is a bunch of 92mph guys who aren't missing the plate by much.
The way SEC umps are calling this year, not giving the black or even in some cases not giving the edge of the white, it's forcing pitchers to throw more fastballs, and we just don't have enough high velo guys available who can do that.
It's either pitch around the plate, and hope a guy swings, or it's pitch 92 mph down the plate and give up 20 hits a game.
Here's the hell of it... if this is how college baseball is going to be now... we can go out and recruit more high velo guys... but high velo guys are also at a higher risk for injury... especially if they have been high velo for years.
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 1:05 pm to NorCali
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A huge unknown is the impact of the TrackMan monitoring (in SEC games and tourney only, does not appear to be in regionals, even for SEC host sites) and the bias it produces of the subjective strike zone.
Umpires are scared to call actual strikes... even strikes that TrackMan is calling a strike, they are calling a ball.
They have become WAAAAAY too conservative.
Using TrackMan to evaulate the umpires was meant to deal with the terrible calls... not the close calls.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 1:08 pm to Metaloctopus
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Why do they keep yanking pitchers who are at least competing, to try to play some matchup that ends up imploding when the next guy in can't throw a strike?
I think Jay is still tinkering. Part of the reason why he is still tinkering is because he has yet to find more than 2-3 guys that he can trust.
We should not be tinkering at this point. We should have our three main starters, our long relief / spot starters our closer, and the 3-4 setup guys we can count on.
Due to injuries and players not having the ability to be consistent, we don't have any of that.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 1:51 pm to Jax Teller
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We are pitching to no contact.
ive been saying this for a while.. they dont pound the zone.. they try and strike everyone out.. definately thatcher hurd and little... they simply need to pound the zone and let their stuff work and let the hitters get themselves out.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 2:24 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Pitch to contact is not a winning strategy when your fastball tops out at 92 mph,
Well this is definitely not true. Most pitch to contact guys don’t throw hard.
Poche made a college career out of throwing 90 at the knees and getting weak ground balls out of it.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 2:27 pm to Jax Teller
recruiting more of the issue than approach
you sign Sam Dutton out of Alabama when Tanner Hall at S Miss was sitting in your backyard at Zachary
Imagine this staff with Skenes and Hall going 1, 2 on weekends
you sign Sam Dutton out of Alabama when Tanner Hall at S Miss was sitting in your backyard at Zachary
Imagine this staff with Skenes and Hall going 1, 2 on weekends
Posted on 5/15/23 at 2:52 pm to nicholastiger
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you sign Sam Dutton out of Alabama when Tanner Hall at S Miss was sitting in your backyard at Zachary
Imagine this staff with Skenes and Hall going 1, 2 on weekends
solid post...
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:11 pm to classicgold
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They aren't going to be able to locate a damn breaking ball in a fricking 3 ball count.
I could consistently throw a curve ball for a strike in 14U and I was no where near LSU caliber. These guys should be able to do it.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:12 pm to classicgold
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They aren't going to be able to locate a damn breaking ball in a fricking 3 ball count.
I could consistently throw a curve ball for a strike in 14U and I was no where near LSU caliber. These guys should be able to do it. Maybe Wes is just calling for it in the dirt hoping for a swing and miss.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:12 pm to nicholastiger
Ouch. Truth hurts.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:12 pm to classicgold
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They aren't going to be able to locate a damn breaking ball in a fricking 3 ball count.
I could consistently throw a curve ball for a strike in 14U and I was no where near LSU caliber. These guys should be able to do it.
Maybe Wes is just calling for it in the dirt hoping for a swing and miss.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:15 pm to Broham
If so, all it's doing is putting people on base.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:22 pm to Lizrdman9
I just wonder if someone has developed a statistical analysis on each LSU pitcher to see what is most predictable for the ensuing pitch and communicates that to their batters...I also see relief pitchers enter the game and this foreboding feeling comes up--usually being true (here comes Dutton--gonna miss throwing breaking balls; Riley offering up a home run ball...)
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:27 pm to Jax Teller
I been saying I wish our bullpen would just groove strikes, especially early in in counts. I'd rather chance getting lit up over all the freaking walks.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:52 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I think Jay is still tinkering. Part of the reason why he is still tinkering is because he has yet to find more than 2-3 guys that he can trust.
We should not be tinkering at this point. We should have our three main starters, our long relief / spot starters our closer, and the 3-4 setup guys we can count on.
Due to injuries and players not having the ability to be consistent, we don't have any of that.
I could understand tinkering in the beginning, or even middle of the season. But, at this point, we are what we are, and I don't expect much to change. I still hope that some guys figure it out, but there isn't much indication of that happening any time soon. So, if you're managing a situation like that, you have to have a feel for the moment. If a guy is throwing strikes (which, granted, those times don't come often right now), maybe let the guy work through it. On Saturday, Ack came in, and at first wasn't real sharp, but then he started really snapping off some sharp, well located sliders, and struck a couple of guys out to end the inning. I thought "Good, let's build off that and bring him back out for the next inning". Because if Jay hasn't noticed yet (and I know he has), you don't have anyone in that 'pen who you can feel confident that they will come in and have command.
Instead, he brings in Hurd, because apparently this was how he mapped it out ahead of time, and it predictably backfired. Sunday, Ack didn't look very good. That's the volatility of this staff right now. All the more reason to leave a guy alone if he's pitching well, instead of trying to get cute. I'd have a very different opinion if we had established roles from guys who earned those roles through consistent performance. Then, you can try to manage it like it's a big league game.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 5/15/23 at 4:15 pm to Jax Teller
Let's hope JJ is smart enough to figure out that the common denominator is the pitching coach.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 8:33 pm to beardkp
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This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 8:37 pm
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