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re: I’m sorry. But why was Les Miles allowed to torment us those last several years??

Posted on 1/15/20 at 4:36 pm to
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 4:36 pm to
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Most of the “nega tigers” are the ones that act like miles tenure was a complete failure

It's kinda funny now. Some of those guys now consider themselves as the positive guys.
Posted by GarmischTiger
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 4:39 pm to
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You got almost 40k posts! Stop lurking on this board.


Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 4:41 pm to
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Most of the “nega tigers” are the ones that act like miles tenure was a complete failure which is why they get called out.

This is, at best, an exaggeration. The so-called negas recognized that the type of offense Miles wanted to run would almost always win against inferior talent but would very rarely win against equal or better talent. It wasn't a complete failure but it was always going to be stuck at the 9-10 win level. It was never going to compete for championships.

I always hated the term. These fans (and I was probably considered one of them) were not anti-LSU, they were anti-Miles because they knew Miles couldn't get them where they wanted to go.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 4:51 pm to
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The so-called negas recognized that the type of offense Miles wanted to run would almost always win against inferior talent but would very rarely win against equal or better talent. It wasn't a complete failure but it was always going to be stuck at the 9-10 win level. It was never going to compete for championships.


Not to defend it because i also hated the Miles offense, but he did, in fact "compete" for multiple titles. By the end it was clearly not going to work any more, but that wasn't true every season he was here. The broader point is, there was no reasonable, realistic case to fire him before the end of the 2014 season at the earliest.
Posted by efrad
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 4:54 pm to
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Posted by The Belk
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 4:55 pm to
You do realize Ed and Les have the exact same record for their 1st 3 years right? Both work a NC. The question is will fans put up with ED if he is only winning 77% over the next 8 years.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 5:16 pm to
I feel a lot better about where Orgeron is at now than I did after the '07 season. I was pretty disappointed when Miles announced he was staying. Kirk had me all kinds of happy that day.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 5:19 pm to
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Not to defend it because i also hated the Miles offense, but he did, in fact "compete" for multiple titles.

I knew somebody was going to call me out for that wording. The last year we were competitive was 2011. And while that was a magical season, at the end of it we knew something had to change. We barely beat Alabama in the GoC and we were not competitive in the rematch. However, I do agree that was politically too soon to fire him. When he brought in Cameron and nothing improved (probably got worse in fact), then it should have been obvious that it wasn't going to get better under Miles.

Many were worried about a return to the 90's. And that's a legitimate risk. You bring in somebody new, you're rolling the dice. But it's all about what kind of program you aspire to be. If you're satisfied with 9-10 wins and the Outback Bowl then sure...keep Miles. But I think a large segment of our fanbase saw the talent we were bringing in and felt like we could achieve a lot more. That we weren't maximizing the potential of guys like Landry and OBJ. So these people were willing to accept the risk to try to climb back to the top. These people, who wanted the program to be the best it could be, were labeled nega-Tigers and the ones who were OK with middling-to-good results were somehow known as posi-Tigers. Kind of ironic.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 5:25 pm to
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I was pretty disappointed when Miles announced he was staying. Kirk had me all kinds of happy that day.

I was throwing shite I was so mad after the "Have a great day" speech. Losing to Kentucky and Arky that year had turned me against Miles. At that point it looked like we had squandered a great chance at a Natty. I was more than happy that he was going to Michigan. Funny how things work out sometimes.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93730 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 5:33 pm to
2013 was competitive and it bought Miles some more good grace. We all thought that we finally had an offense and that he maybe he could do it again after '14.
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